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   "cloud dreamer"  wrote in message   
   news:XdqdndS85opCvH7RnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@supernews.com...   
   > On 16/11/2010 8:47 PM, Your Name wrote:   
   > > In article, "catpandaddy"   
   > >   wrote:   
   > >> "Your Name"  wrote in message   
   > >> news:ibunfc$e9o$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...   
   > >>> "cloud dreamer"  wrote in message   
   > >>> news:7fCdnfKUqZsd43_RnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@supernews.com...   
   > >>>> On 16/11/2010 9:09 AM, Neil Rieck wrote:   
   > >>>>> [...snip...]   
   > >>>>>>   
   > >>>>>> That's not how the rating system works. Neilsen has a set number of   
   > >>>>>> meters out there in selected homes. They base their numbers on them   
   > >>>>>> and   
   > >>>>>> extrapolate total viewership from the sample set.   
   > >>>>>   
   > >>>>> The measurement boxes are expensive so they (Nielson) still support   
   a   
   > >>>>> larger paper diary system which allows people to lie (network bias).   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>> They would statistically lie in equal numbers so the difference would   
   be   
   > >>>> negligible.   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>> So, tell me. What else are they supposed to do???   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>> Until they can start collecting data live from DVRs, what other   
   system   
   > >>>> are they supposed to use???   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>> If they can't rely on people to tell the truth in the diary portion   
   of   
   > >>>> their polling, they have to rely on the meters. If they're that   
   > >>>> expensive, they have to rely on extrapolated data and conclusions.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> Meters are no better than diaries. You would have to have a meter   
   attached   
   > >>> to every TV in the house, as well as recording devices and download   
   sites.   
   > >>> You would also have to determine whether anyone is actually watching   
   the   
   > >>> TV or simply tuning in to some "news" show because they think thye   
   should,   
   > >>> but in reality are in another room eating dinner or whatever.   
   > >>   
   > >> YN, this next question is not meant sarcastically, I promise.  Granting   
   that   
   > >> meters and diaries and all that don't work, can you give me a thorough   
   idea   
   > >> how you would set up your ideal system to work, assuming resources were   
   no   
   > >> object and you had the entire say-so about the project?   
   > >   
   > > Obviously you would survey EVERYONE, but as I said just now, that still   
   > > won't guarantee fully accurate results thanks to the many morons on the   
   > > planet.   
   >   
   > It seems your problems go well beyond the Nielsens.   
      
   Ah, look. There's one of said morons now.   
   "Cloud Dreamer"?!? "Cloud Cuckoo-land" more like it. :-\   
      
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