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   From: cpd@cat.pan.net   
      
   "Barb May"  wrote in message   
   news:4d20e38c$1@news.x-privat.org...   
   > catpandaddy wrote:   
   >> "KalElFan"  wrote in message   
   >> news:8oae21FvmvU1@mid.individual.net...   
   >>> "catpandaddy"  wrote in message   
   >>> news:ifnfgd$s7d$1@news.eternal-september.org...   
   >>>   
   >>>> Isn't all of this already accomplished with killfile rules on a good   
   >>>> newsreader?  People can already choose what to filter out by their   
   >>>> own preferences, ...   
   >>>   
   >>> My guess is maybe 15% of longtimers have that way of looking at   
   >>> it or that philosophy.  I disagree with it and Optional Moderation   
   >>> inherently takes the user and especially new user perspective.  It   
   >>> provides the optional moderation, rather than effectively telling   
   >>> them "here's a bucket and a strainer, now filter the cesspool   
   >>> yourself."   
   >>>   
   >>> I think 85% of longtime Usenetters will be fine with the idea of OM   
   >>> and bringing in more newbies.   
   >>   
   >> Newbies ARE the problem.  They don't know how to conduct themselves.   
   >> Usenet in its very first year was negligible noise and nearly all   
   >> signal.  No moderation was necessary.  Then the unwashed masses found   
   >> their way in, and we can all see the results.  It is quite clear that   
   >> bringing more newbies in directly correlates to the situation Usenet   
   >> finds itself in today.  The solution is to go back to what worked at   
   >> Usenet's inception, and this time stick to it.   
   >   
   > The solution is to take that giant stick out of your collective asses and   
   > reconcile yourselves to the fact that you can't "fix" usenet by any means.   
   > Everyone has their own filter -- it's the freedom to decide which messages   
   > you want to read. Forget about deciding that for others. It's not your   
   > place.   
      
   That's exactly what I was getting at Barb.  My "solution" is to leave it as   
   is and leave users to do their own filtering, instead of making a big to-do   
   about how it "must be changed to attract newbies, won't anyone please think   
   of the newbieeeees!!!"  To stop with all the stupid re-coding and moderating   
   and despairing.  Usenet is what it is, and it's just fine as it is.   
      
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