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   "KalElFan"  wrote in message   
   news:8od128F3d6U1@mid.individual.net...   
   > "catpandaddy"  wrote in message   
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   >> "KalElFan"  wrote in message   
   >> news:8oae21FvmvU1@mid.individual.net...   
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   >>> "catpandaddy"  wrote in message   
   >>> news:ifnfgd$s7d$1@news.eternal-september.org...   
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   >>>> Isn't all of this already accomplished with killfile rules on a good   
   >>>> newsreader?  People can already choose what to filter out by their   
   >>>> own preferences, ...   
   >>>   
   >>> My guess is maybe 15% of longtimers have that way of looking at   
   >>> it or that philosophy.  I disagree with it and Optional Moderation   
   >>> inherently takes the user and especially new user perspective.  It   
   >>> provides the optional moderation, rather than effectively telling   
   >>> them "here's a bucket and a strainer, now filter the cesspool   
   >>> yourself."   
   >>>   
   >>> I think 85% of longtime Usenetters will be fine with the idea of OM   
   >>> and bringing in more newbies.   
   >>   
   >> Newbies ARE the problem.  They don't know how to conduct   
   >> themselves.  Usenet in its very first year was negligible noise and   
   >> nearly all signal.  No moderation was necessary.  Then the unwashed   
   >> masses found their way in, and we can all see the results.  It is quite   
   >> clear that bringing more newbies in directly correlates to the situation   
   >> Usenet finds itself in today.  The solution is to go back to what worked   
   >> at Usenet's inception, and this time stick to it.   
   >   
   > Thanks for making my point and demonstrating part of the reason   
   > for a new hierarchy.  The OM concept isn't even Usenet-specific, so   
   > it certainly has no need for any specific Usenet group.  Why should   
   > it *ever* try to limit itself to groups that have even 15% of posters   
   > who will criticize and whine about the very concept itself?  Make it   
   > strictly an optional, voluntary choice they have to make to post or   
   > crosspost to the new hierarchy.   
   >   
   > I'll leave you with the skewering piece I'd done on the 15% but   
   > chopped the last round:   
   >   
   >  "Let users figure out how to use their killfiles and do the filtering   
   >  themselves.  We shouldn't do the work for them, or change the   
   >  way Usenet works for them!  If they don't like it they can go to a   
   >  web board.  Besides, if we make Usenet easy for them like AOL did   
   >  in the day, or Google does now, we'll get an Eternal September of   
   >  airhead newbies and the like destroying what's left of Usenet!   
   >   
   >  "Fortunately the cesspool stuff drove AOL away!  But Google is still   
   >  at it -- the cesspool doesn't stop them!  What's wrong with that   
   >  company?  What's this thing they have for free speech, where they   
   >  refuse to intercept postings that we deem to be spam and such?   
   >  Don't they understand that this is Usenet and we know better how   
   >  it should be run?   
   >   
   >  "Users.  Bah!  New users.  Double-Bah!  And now you want to filter   
   >  the cesspool for them?  Triple-GAH!  AOL might come back!  The   
   >  major ISPs could follow!  So then it won't just be Google, it'll be   
   >  countless user-serving nincompoop ISPs again, all letting users find this   
   > place!  Our cesspool failsafe will be gone, so there'll be nothing to   
   >  hold them back or make them go away!  I'll be flaming the begeezus   
   >  out of them but it won't do any good, because you'll have me filtered   
   >  in this "hi-mod" version or view.  They'll be blissfully ignorant of my   
   >  presence, except when I converse with them in a civil fashion!  My   
   >  God man, do you realize the blasphemy you're proposing, and the   
   >  road to Hell you're taking us on?   
   >   
   >  "You do realize this would turn the place into Twitternet?  That all   
   >  of our brains will explode?  I give it two weeks before the Emergency   
   >  rooms are filed up, not to mention the psychiatrist couches, with us   
   >  longtime Usenetters.  Have you considered the health care costs?  If   
   >  you think Obama care was bad, just wait until Optional Moderation   
   >  hits the cyberfans.  Canada won't escape the carnage either.  Your   
   >  single-payer system will crack.  Think again about this slippery slope   
   >  to doom you're proposing.  Leave the cesspool and the noise just the   
   >  way it is.  It's our Iron Cybercurtain.  Please, Mr. KalElFan, do not   
   > tear   
   >  down that wall.   
   >   
   >  "In fact, do the right thing and help us create more barriers and also   
   >  strengthen the existing ones that new arrivals face!   Help prevent the   
   >  unwashed masses from filtering this cesspool!  Our Usenet cesspool is   
   >  beautiful.  We were here first and we'll set the Bar new arrivals must   
   >  meet.  I already have enough trouble filtering the problem servers like   
   >  Google and [insert their long list here].  Any newbie who wants in on   
   >  Usenet should do the same, and that's just for starters!  ..."   
   >   
   > Almost word for word, that was in draft before you made your post! Maybe   
   > there should be an om.psychic or somethin'.  :-)   
      
   Either I miscommunicated my stance or you misread it, because that's not at   
   all what I was getting at.   
      
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