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   From: kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com   
      
   "Steve Bonine"  wrote in message news:8oscq6F2h3U1@mid.individual.net...   
      
   > KalElFan wrote:   
   >   
   >> There hasn't been any   
   >> substantive challenge to the concept in weeks now.   
   >   
   > Here are three substantive challenges to your concept.   
      
   Misrepresentation, assertions and reassertions long since refuted,   
   a few whines, a fallacy, and two Day 1 issues that are so DUH it's   
   mind-numbing.   
      
   I particularly liked the "fatal flaws" part and then you couldn't   
   come close to naming a single one.   
      
   You did cite another possible PR benefit though, when the time   
   comes, and that's my having antagonized a few folks circling   
   Bambi-ville.  And I do mean a few folks.  I don't concede at all   
   that a few of the most anal-retentive ones incapable of seeing   
   the big picture are typical of even Bambi-ville.  There were all   
   kinds of good posts in the original thread and I've read others   
   since.  I also believe in redemption, even for the anal-retentive   
   ones incapable of seeing the big picture.  It's just Usenet.  Very   
   few ever admit they've lost the argument.  They fight on and   
   grasp at straws, or nothing in your case.  Whatever it takes for   
   their ego not to have to face the music.   
      
   Your two Day 1 issues were that (i) yes it has to be built and (ii)   
   then marketed.  Again, DUH.  It will have to have at least one   
   web site and, if it's implemented on nntp, one server.  Then   
   at least a small base of people will have to be recruited to get   
   the ball rolling in each of the groups and it builds from there.   
      
   Because you're dug in, you miss what's right in front of you.  If   
   you thought about it for a bit before you knee-jerked posted   
   all this utter nonsense, you might have realized the obvious   
   way the implementation -- both the building and marketing --   
   could be jump-started in one fell swoop.  That obvious way   
   isnt quite the best way, but it's close,  Understand that I'm not   
   at all sure Usenet is the best venue.  It may just be too far gone   
   to be salvageable.  But that very easy way could jump-start this   
   and have it going this week!  That's how trivial your Day 1 issues   
   are.   
      
   They've been around since Day 1, eh?  Do you think it's possible   
   I've had a chance to think about them?  Figure out how it can be   
   done?  There was no need to post it, because implementation   
   comes later.   
      
   The biggest Bambi problem is probably not having enough respect   
   for users.  But they don't have enough for news admins either.  I   
   don't mean the frackwit one or two control freak admins circling   
   Bambi-ville.  Just generally, you're too fracking obsessed with   
   trying to get admins to follow your checkgroups and rmgroups to   
   pay any attention to what might actually interest them, especially   
   the commercial ones.  You know, the ones you dis as the problem,   
   including Google.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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