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   From: catwheezel@operamail.com   
      
   ["Followup-To:" header set to news.groups.]   
   On 2011-01-09, KalElFan  wrote:   
      
   [...]   
      
   > You did cite another possible PR benefit though, when the time   
   > comes, and that's my having antagonized a few folks circling   
   > Bambi-ville.  And I do mean a few folks.  I don't concede at all   
   > that a few of the most anal-retentive ones incapable of seeing   
   > the big picture are typical of even Bambi-ville.  There were all   
   > kinds of good posts in the original thread and I've read others   
   > since.  I also believe in redemption, even for the anal-retentive   
   > ones incapable of seeing the big picture.  It's just Usenet.  Very   
   > few ever admit they've lost the argument.  They fight on and   
   > grasp at straws, or nothing in your case.  Whatever it takes for   
   > their ego not to have to face the music.   
      
   If you are dead set on creating a new hierarchy, the Big 8 is irrelevant   
   to you.  The Big 8 management board does however possess quite a lot of   
   practical knowledge and experience to do with such things as moderation,   
   peering, and ... what was that other thing?  Oh, yes, /management/.  Even   
   if you don't like the way they manage the Big 8 groups, you could   
   potentially still benefit from their advice.  Unless you antagonise them   
   too much, of course.   
      
   > Your two Day 1 issues were that (i) yes it has to be built and (ii)   
   > then marketed.  Again, DUH.  It will have to have at least one   
   > web site and, if it's implemented on nntp, one server.  Then   
   > at least a small base of people will have to be recruited to get   
   > the ball rolling in each of the groups and it builds from there.   
      
   Easier said than done.  How many "Google Groups" and "Yahoo Groups" take   
   off, out of all those created?   
      
   > Because you're dug in, you miss what's right in front of you.  If   
   > you thought about it for a bit before you knee-jerked posted   
   > all this utter nonsense, you might have realized the obvious   
   > way the implementation -- both the building and marketing --   
   > could be jump-started in one fell swoop.  That obvious way   
   > isnt quite the best way, but it's close,  Understand that I'm not   
   > at all sure Usenet is the best venue.  It may just be too far gone   
   > to be salvageable.  But that very easy way could jump-start this   
   > and have it going this week!  That's how trivial your Day 1 issues   
   > are.   
   >   
   > They've been around since Day 1, eh?  Do you think it's possible   
   > I've had a chance to think about them?  Figure out how it can be   
   > done?  There was no need to post it, because implementation   
   > comes later.   
      
   [...]   
      
   Why doesn't implementation come right now?  If you can't set up a public   
   news-server of your own, you'll have to find an existing NSP who is   
   prepared to let you experiment; you'll also need people to post and test   
   your 'optional moderation' system.   
      
   Don't expect to get your new 'optional moderation' hierarchy propagated   
   until (or unless) you can show that it's worthwhile and that it really does   
   work and would still work if peered - so your early users will have to set   
   up accounts with whichever news-server your hierarchy is on.   
      
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