From: kees.boer@THRWHITE.remove-dii-this   
      
     To: alt.battlestar-galactica,   
      
   "Jim Phillips"  wrote in message   
   news:Pine.SOL.3.96.1051005110127.11480Q-100000@mail...   
   > On Tue, 4 Oct 2005, Kees Boer wrote:   
   >   
   >>   
   >> "Jim Phillips"  wrote in message   
   >> news:Pine.SOL.3.96.1051004101207.7769g-100000@mail...   
   >> > On Mon, 3 Oct 2005, Kees Boer wrote:   
   >> >   
   >> >>   
   >> >> "Fozzi"  wrote in message   
   >> >> news:1Gj0f.6493$U51.5924@news-server.bigpond.net.au...   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> > "Kees Boer"  wrote in message   
   >> >> > news:hKi0f.2073$eW1.1738@okepread04...   
   >> >> >>   
   >> >> >> "Fozzi"  wrote in message   
   >> >> >> news:5Me0f.6203$U51.4860@news-server.bigpond.net.au...   
   >> >> >>>   
   >> >> >>> "Kees Boer"  wrote in message   
   >> >> >>> news:7he0f.1612$eW1.871@okepread04...   
   >> >> >>>>   
   >> >> >>>> "Fozzi"  wrote in message   
   >> >> >>>> news:gDd0f.6200$U51.2283@news-server.bigpond.net.au...   
   >> >> >>>>>   
   >> >> >>>>   
   >> >> >>>> Excuse me, but God wrote that "precious little book."   
   >> >> >>>   
   >> >> >>> Complete rubbish   
   >> >> >>   
   >> >> >> What do you have against the Bible?   
   >> >> >>>   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> > The bible itself, nothing   
   >> >> > christians in general, nothing   
   >> >> > people who try and use a message of peace, love and brotherhood to   
   >> >> > spread   
   >> >> > agendas of hate, intolerance and persecution   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> > EVERYTHING   
   >> >>   
   >> >> Who is doing that? It is the Christians, who've gotten the vast   
   >> >> majority   
   >> >> of   
   >> >> persecution.   
   >> >   
   >> > Romans stopped persecuting Christians about 1700 years ago.  Since   
   >> > then the primary group that has persecuted Christians is other   
   >> > Christians.   
   >> > I think the Jews have Christians beaten handily for the dubious   
   >> > distinction   
   >> > of most persecuted religion.   
   >>   
   >> Just in the last century millions upon millions of Christians were killed   
   >> by   
   >> Atheist Communist Regimes.   
   >   
   > I submit that they were not killed for being christian, they were   
   > killed for not going along with the government.  Besides, it wasn't just   
   > christians who were killed by these regimes (Pol Pot ring a bell?).   
      
   Yes, because the government didn't want a belief in God.   
   >   
   >> Before that Christians were being slaughtered,   
   >> for instance the inquisition killed many many Christians.   
   >   
   > My point exactly--christians killing christians doesn't count as   
   > christians being persecuted (at least in comparison to being fed to   
   > lions).   
   >   
   The inquisition killed Christians. It was not done by other Christians. A   
   Christian is someone, who has placed their faith in Christ to save them.   
      
   >> Even Hitler killed   
   >> many Christians in the concentration camps.   
   >   
   > What was the ratio between jews killed vs christians killed?   
   >   
      
   I don't have the statistics. Very dangerous question though to investigate.   
   In many European countries, you could be jailed for trying to find out the   
   exact number of Jewish people killed in concentration camps.   
      
   >> > Christians have used the bible to excuse hatred, torture, slavery,   
   >> > murder--the list is endless.  Yes, the bible has many lovely messages   
   >> > in   
   >> > it,   
   >> > but you shouldn't be blind to the ugliness in it as well.   
   >>   
   >> It's the Bible with a Capital B.   
   >   
   > Since I don't worship the bible, I don't feel the need to capitalize   
   > it.   
      
   You should.   
      
   >   
   >> It's written by God.   
   >   
   > Then god needed a better editor.   
   > I see the bible as being written by many different people, with   
   > some of it lifted from other holy books.  They probably thought that god   
   > inspired them, and who knows, maybe she did.  But god didn't sit down one   
   > day and write the whole thing out.   
   > You want to see god's handiwork?  Go out one night and look up at   
   > the night sky.   
   >   
   >> Satan has used the   
   >> Bible from the beginning to pull things out of context.   
   >   
   > So when someone uses the bible to, say, condone slavery or wife   
   > beating, it's satan's fault?  Isn't it really god's fault for allowing   
   > satan to even exist?.   
      
   God gave rules as to how to deal with slaves in the Bible, because that was   
   the cultural situation there. The fact is that Christianity is one of the   
   main reasons why slavery ended in the world. For instance, read the story of   
   the person, who wrote the "Amazing Grace' song. His name is John Newton, not   
   to be confused with the physicist.   
   >   
   >> Read how he tempted   
   >> Eve, by pulling God's Word out of context and misquoting it.   
   >   
   > The serpent told the truth--god is the one that lied (Adam and Eve   
   > lived long after eating the fruit, even though god said they'd die if they   
   > did).   
      
   That's baloney. They did die. And you're going to die too.   
      
   Kees   
      
   >   
   > --   
   > Jim Phillips, jay pee aitch eye el el eye pee at bee see pee ell dot net   
   > "I would bring up Ann Coulter's comment about blowing up the New York   
   > Times...there's a lot of hateful, violent rhetoric that spews from the   
   > Right.  The Left is snide and sarcastic, the Right is dangerous and   
   > violent."  -- Dan Savage   
   >   
      
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