From: mrbradremove@ll.net   
      
    all you have to do is ask. i would do it, if someone asked me and gave me   
   > enough information. all you have to do is ask. there's plent of helpful   
   > sysops out there, and they're not all stock running......   
      
      
   the above is the point....   
      
   i don't think anyone says that rob is NOT adding new features to his bbs pkg   
   but i guess you are saying that graphics...and some people say docs  and   
   others say   
   door configs are not keeping up with the other stuff or more 'programing'   
   enhancement   
   features that Rob seems to plunk out....   
      
   the standard default bbs pkg is too dull and people are too dumb (myself) or   
   lazy (myself)   
   to just run with the standard setup....i would prefer an everything but the   
   kitchen sink   
   version as a download and then take off the stuff i did not need or want and   
   maybe file   
   it on the side...but more of a prune it out approach then add it on   
   approach...   
      
   so what is needed is MORE help in an GROUP manner like LINUX or some such   
   someone take charge of the kind of graphics and menu changes or such   
   features of   
   the pkg..someone else get a group to run up door configs on a dev   
   machine..someone   
   else to run a group for tweaking docs...etc etc not to knock anyone this is   
   probably   
   done.....already...but it is a lot harder to organize...and a lot easier to   
   bitch about   
   it if docs or graphics or doors are not current...   
      
   but i think the main problem is NO ONE has time for that on a FREEWARE pkg   
   it is a lot easier just to program features and improvements to the core   
   setup and let   
   individual sysops tweak the stuff on their own....synchronet seems to have   
   a good   
   process for debuging versions of the software and help in that end and also   
   a dev   
   system for that as well...but unless someone or group really wanted to step   
   up   
   and do the same at the same level as the other programing stuff...well..it   
   is always   
   gonna lag and even if stuff was added in the non-programing end of   
   things....they   
   used to PAY comercial types to do that kinda stuff...you don't start LINUX   
   because you like graphics or docs....he did it cause he liked the programing   
   project   
   ...the other stuff has kinda a 'yech' factor for most programmers...and is   
   usually   
   given to others   
      
      
      
   but unless someone really wants to start a group of sysops for these other   
   areas   
   like docs, graphics, menus, doors or whatever other tweaks could flesh out   
   the pkg   
   it prob an't gonna happen because most pkgs that do that have to PAY the   
   poor   
   fools to do docs....etc it (so i've heard) an't as much fun   
      
   on the other hand..   
      
   i might be possible to setup various complete 'tweaked' systems with a theme   
   or some   
   such to help troll in newbies to synchronet or whatever bbs pkg you have   
      
   have your default vanilla version of your particular bbs pkg   
      
   have another version 'tweaked' out with contributed menu choices or graphics   
   enhancements of various types..i know back in the day before everyone got so   
   'closed' on their 'work' ..i had a bbs pkg i liked i just would get a copy   
   (tape at the   
   time) and i'd have all them nice ansi graphics and rip space screens and all   
   that   
   and i'd simply change the name from the guy who copied it for me from his   
   bbs   
   to my bbs  and move on from there....   
      
   so if someone had a more tweaked version of synchronet or whatever or a   
   group   
   of sysops offered some of there work in various themed pkgs..i prob would   
   just   
   get that instead   
      
   by the way....if you do get a system that way and the guy has like same   
   structure   
   system as you it sure makes door configs quick and easy...you might not have   
   the   
   doors he registered but slick and guick to tweak..if they are just sitting   
   there ready   
   to have your reg codes pop'd in   
      
   anyway.....like i said ...people don't have time....but if i had some bbs   
   pkgs   
   out there i was trying to push...i'd make one that had everything but the   
   kitchen sink   
   version of it...every door config i had already in the setup just ready for   
   the door   
   every odd ball graphic ....all the bbs mods a person had ready to download   
   and add   
   to the files area of your products tweaks...etc etc   
      
   then i'd go thru the large beast and just "prune" off stuff i did not like   
   or need graphic   
   or otherwise.....this especially would be the same for the web front end   
      
      
   but then again i don't have the time to get my setup up again so what do i   
   know   
      
      
      
   my 2c worth   
   brad   
   former sysop lost gonzo bbs   
      
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