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   From: robert@no.way   
      
   On Sep 9, 2024, pyotr filipivich wrote   
   (Message-ID:<4ikudjlt6jkctdggtemh0fubcvug9kgd2d@4ax.com>):   
      
   > Robert   on Wed, 09 Aug 2023 10:10:11 -0700 typed in   
   > alt.christnet.christianlife the following:   
   > > On Aug 9, 2023, pyotr filipivich wrote   
   > > (in article):   
   > >   
   > > >   
   > > > The Apostles and disciples did. Those they appointed were to appoint   
   > > > faithful men to continue teaching the faith.   
   > >   
   > > So you disagree with the Word of God?'   
   >   
   > Just your interpretation.   
      
   Really, then just what in the verse beneath of you disagree with?   
   >   
   > >   
   > > “God has placed in the church the following: First apostles, second   
   > > prophets,   
   > > third teachers, then those with gifts of miracles, gifts of divine healing,   
   > > gifts of revelation knowledge, gifts of leadership, and gifts of different   
   > > kinds of tongues.” (1Co 12:28)   
   >   
   > Yes, and who decides which person has a True Calling, and who just   
   > wants to do something cool?   
      
   Your actions speak louder than words. So you show whose you are by them, thus   
   you condemn yourself.   
   >   
   > >   
   > > It is the Work of God, and it is he that appoints men.   
   >   
   > And of course, Robert (having not been taught by faithful men, but   
   > following the traditions of men handed down by his bible school   
   > instructors) has no guidance as to whether or not the person claiming   
   > A Calling really has one, has heard a sermon, seen a Youtube video,   
   > heard a radio broadcast (or in these modern enlighten days "heard a   
   > podcast) about on the subject and "just know" that is what they are   
   > supposed to do.   
      
   Hmmm. There you made a judgement, who gave you the right, and by what   
   scripture did you come to that conclusion? Did the Holy Spirit tell you that   
   was the truth, or were your words spoken out of your carnal nature?   
   >   
   > >   
   > > Think about it, I am a disciple of Christ, can I just up an appoint men to   
   > > positions as you say?   
   >   
   > No. For you were not chosen by faithful men who were chosen by   
   > faithful men, going back to the faithful man chosen by the Apostle.   
      
   What did 1 Cor 12:28 above say, Is not God the appointer? Does he not speak   
   to men and tell them who should be appointed? What about the pedo and gay   
   priests in your church and its leader ship, or were there, did God appoint   
   them or did unwise people do so.   
   >   
   > >   
   > > Nay? It is obvious the men do a poor job in this arena when they chose to   
   > > do it   
   > > off themselves, just look at what happens and see all the Lawsuits filed   
   for   
   > > the "Church Leaders".   
   >   
   > Oh, you mean like Joel Olsteen, who just knows he was call to be   
   > "a teacher"?   
      
   I never heard him say that, but then I know very little about him, I do he   
   was not like his dad, and that he is an opportunist, and there is no   
   defending him or his actions.   
   >   
   > >   
   > > For this reason one is to do the appointments according to what God says   
   and   
   > > approves, and this we will know by the spirit of God.   
   > >   
   > > These people are for the edifying of the Body of Christ as well as to equip   
   > > them to do the work of the Lord.   
   >   
   > True. Now, how do you know that the person proclaiming a   
   > revelation from God is actually chosen by God?   
      
   The Spirit of God witnesses in my heart, is one way, the other is by the   
   fruit that they bear,   
   >   
   >   
   > Here is the problem of modern Protestants such as Robert: since so   
   > much is glossed over as merely difference of opinion of the   
   > interpretation of the text, how can one interpretation be accepted and   
   > another rejected?   
      
   If something conflicts with the Word of God, then what they said is not of   
   God. If their fruit is ungodly then so are they. When a person says they are   
   a believer, but hate their brother, then they are not of God.   
   If a person does not have the Holy Spirit in them, then they likewise are not   
   of God. If a person is not born again, they are not of God. If a person prays   
   to Mary and the Saints, they too are not following God..   
      
   >   
   > tschus   
   > pyotr   
      
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