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   From: robert@no.way   
      
   On Sep 9, 2024, Christ Rose wrote   
   (Message-ID:<3d73bb83-0c61-4e2c-9c9b-2f7bd08a699f@christrose.news>):   
      
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   > On Mon, 09 Sep 2024 14:47:47 -0700   
   > <4ikudjlt6jkctdggtemh0fubcvug9kgd2d@4ax.com>   
   > pyotr filipivich    
   > wrote:   
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   > > > “God has placed in the church the following: First apostles, second   
   > > > prophets,   
   > > > third teachers, then those with gifts of miracles, gifts of divine   
   healing,   
   > > > gifts of revelation knowledge, gifts of leadership, and gifts of   
   different   
   > > > kinds of tongues.” (1Co 12:28)   
   > >   
   > > Yes, and who decides which person has a True Calling, and who just   
   > > wants to do something cool?   
      
   Notice that the verse above speaks to those placed in the Ekklesia, as the   
   ministering offices. Elders and deacons are a supporting role.   
      
   Stephen a deacon, was worker of healings and miracles as well. Yet a Janitor   
   is no less important than he. Then too look at the list of items mentioned in   
   that verse, with no reference to the ending of such ministries. Cat got your   
   tongue?   
      
   >   
   > “The saying is trustworthy: If anyone   
   > aspires to the office of overseer, he   
   > desires a noble task. Therefore an   
   > overseer must be above reproach, the   
   > husband of one wife, sober-minded,   
   > self-controlled, respectable,   
   > hospitable, able to teach, not a   
   > drunkard, not violent but gentle, not   
   > quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He   
   > must manage his own household well, with   
   > all dignity keeping his children   
   > submissive, for if someone does not know   
   > how to manage his own household, how   
   > will he care for God’s church? He must   
   > not be a recent convert, or he may   
   > become puffed up with conceit and fall   
   > into the condemnation of the devil.   
   > Moreover, he must be well thought of by   
   > outsiders, so that he may not fall into   
   > disgrace, into a snare of the devil.” (1   
   > Timothy 3:1–7, ESV)   
   >   
   > This passage shows that the person...   
   >   
   > 1) Has to have a desire to be an   
   > overseer. It does not say he has to be   
   > "called", but that he has to desire it.   
   > This could be understood as a "call",   
   > but it's not the same as when the Lord   
   > actually called Paul and the other   
   > disciples to apostleship. For this   
   > reason, I don't like the word "called".   
   > Too many people try to make it into   
   > something like Paul on the Damascus   
   > road, when no such thing actually   
   > happens today. God gives someone a   
   > "desire" to do it.   
   >   
   > 2) The person has to meet the criteria   
   > mentioned in the qualifications for an   
   > overseer. So it isn't just that you   
   > desire the office, but also that the   
   > church agrees you meet the Scriptural   
   > qualifications. They should be tested   
   > based on how they manage their own   
   > family, etc.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)