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From: michaelmclean2021@outlook.com
On 1/11/2024 8:25 am, Robert wrote:
> On Oct 30, 2024, In the Name of Jesus wrote
> (Message-ID: ):
>
>> On 31/10/2024 9:37 am, Christ Rose wrote:
>>> ========================================
>>> Wed, 30 Oct 2024 13:41:31 -0700
>>>
>>> Robert wrote:
>>> ========================================
>>>> atone |əˈtəʊn|. verb [no object]
>>>>
>>>> make amends or reparation:a human sacrifice to atone for the sin.
>>>>
>>>> origin Middle English(originally in the sense ‘make or become united or
>>>> reconciled’, rare before the 16th century):from at one in early use;
>>>> later
>>>> by back-formation from atonement.
>>>> *
>>>> atonement|əˈtəʊnm(ə)nt|.
>>>>
>>>> noun[mass noun].
>>>>
>>>> the action of making amends for a wrong or injury:he submitted his
>>>> resignation as an act of atonement.
>>>>
>>>> (in religious contexts) reparation or expiation for sin:an annual
>>>> ceremony of
>>>> confession andatonement forsin.
>>>>
>>>> (the Atonement) Christian theology the reconciliation of God and
>>>> humankind
>>>> through Jesus Christ,
>>>>
>>>> origin;early 16th century(denoting unity or reconciliation, especially
>>>> between God and man): from at one+-ment , influenced by medieval Latin
>>>> adunamentum‘unity’, and earlier one ment from an obsolete verb
one‘to
>>>> unite’.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Words mean something. IOW One with, as Jesus said, that the Born Again
>>>> Believer is one with Him, as He is with the Heavenly Father.
>>>>
>>>> What is so intriguing about this is that in the OT the Blood of the
>>>> Lamb was
>>>> applied to the Ark of the Covenant for the sins of the Nation of
>>>> Israel. All
>>>> representating what Jesus was going to do when He applied His blood to
>>>> the
>>>> Ark of the Covenant in Heaven. (A copy of which was built as designed
>>>> by God,
>>>> to be placed into the Holy of Holies on earth.)
>>>>
>>>> All of these things were purposed by God to restore Man to be one with
>>>> God as
>>>> he was designed and created to be in the Garden of Eden. Yet was
>>>> broken by
>>>> the disobedience of the First Adam. The second Adam, Jesus the
>>>> Messiah, was
>>>> and is the real sacrifice which ’atoned’ for the sins of mankind to
>>>> restore us into the position of being one with Jesus and the Heavenly
>>>> Father,
>>>> as they were and are One.
>>>>
>>>> HOW AMAZING IS THAT !!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jesus is eternally self-existent as God. John 1:1 states, "In the
>>> beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was
>>> God." This verse teaches that Jesus (the Word) has always existed as God
>>> and with God from eternity, affirming both His distinct personhood and
>>> divine nature. Believers, however, do not become part of the Godhead or
>>> the eternally self-existing God through their union with Christ.
>
> “For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is
> upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel: for
> I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him.” (Isa 9:6) Brenton
Dare I say, you need the Hebrew translation of Isaiah 9:6.
> Jhn 1:1 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and
> the Word was God.
>
> Jhn 1:2 (KJV) The same was in the beginning with God.
>
> Jhn 1:3 (KJV) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing
> made that was made.
>
> How can the Son of God be with the Heavenly Father, sit on a throne at the
> right hand of the Heavenly Fathers throne? V2
One Spirit. Mankind naturally looks at God and tries to reason Him into
physical terms. It won't and can't work.
The Lord Jesus is the Father because they are One Spirit, One Lord, and
that as they say is that.
The Lord Jesus Christ was always and is always perfect; only God is the
source of perfection.
> How can one person be three different persons? Are they a shape shifter?
One Spirit. Remember, post the fall the only reason we got a Son of God
in the flesh is because God had to place separation in Himself (make a
way) in order to bring His children back to and into Him.
> Three can be a Godhead, a corporate entity in todays terms, and they can all
> be at one in total agreement, yet one is the final authority, as a husband is
> to the man and woman being one as ordained by God. They are one in Christ as
> he is in the Heavenly Father.
You can't contain God in physical terms or material terms; if you could,
you would be greater than God.
He is One Spirit; Father and Son are God, One and the Same, One Holy
Spirit. God is everywhere and in everything; the Father as we see Him
and the Son as we see Him; both are God. There is only One God.
>>> Believers become one with Christ and with other believers, not by
>>> merging into the essence of God, but by being brought into intimate
>>> fellowship with Him. This union is relational and covenantal, reflecting
>>> harmony, shared purpose, and participation in God’s life through Christ.
>>> It fulfills Jesus’ prayer in John 17:21: "that they may all be one, just
>>> as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, that they also may be in Us."
>
> “Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of
> judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.” (1Jn 4:17, KJV)
>
> Physically? No. Spiritually? Yes. Is not the Born Again Man born of the
> Heavenly Father?
I stated something the other day which surprised me, and I am yet to
revisit and meditate further on.
All-knowing on high Rosie wrote:
> In short, believers do not BECOME The Eternally Self-existing GOD
when > they are made one in Christ.
And my reply to our rosie Rosie...
Yes, they do. Family is family and is eternal self-existent Oneness in
and of God.
And this was explained to me by the Holy Spirit...
"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."
You see, it is about the nature and glory of God. He is a "withhold
nothing" God whose love is all inclusive.
Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all
that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
The power of what?
You need to have faith in God and lean not on your own sinner
understanding. You are your own very bad enemy.
> Is not the Spirit of the Most High God dwelling within the heart/spirit of
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