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From: robert@no.way
On Oct 30, 2024, In the Name of Jesus wrote
(Message-ID: ):
> On 31/10/2024 9:37 am, Christ Rose wrote:
> > ========================================
> > Wed, 30 Oct 2024 13:41:31 -0700
> >
> > Robert wrote:
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> > > atone |əˈtəʊn|. verb [no object]
> > >
> > > make amends or reparation:a human sacrifice to atone for the sin.
> > >
> > > origin Middle English(originally in the sense ‘make or become united or
> > > reconciled’, rare before the 16th century):from at one in early use;
> > > later
> > > by back-formation from atonement.
> > > *
> > > atonement|əˈtəʊnm(ə)nt|.
> > >
> > > noun[mass noun].
> > >
> > > the action of making amends for a wrong or injury:he submitted his
> > > resignation as an act of atonement.
> > >
> > > (in religious contexts) reparation or expiation for sin:an annual
> > > ceremony of
> > > confession andatonement forsin.
> > >
> > > (the Atonement) Christian theology the reconciliation of God and
> > > humankind
> > > through Jesus Christ,
> > >
> > > origin;early 16th century(denoting unity or reconciliation, especially
> > > between God and man): from at one+-ment , influenced by medieval Latin
> > > adunamentum‘unity’, and earlier one ment from an obsolete verb
one‘to
> > > unite’.
> > >
> > >
> > > Words mean something. IOW One with, as Jesus said, that the Born Again
> > > Believer is one with Him, as He is with the Heavenly Father.
> > >
> > > What is so intriguing about this is that in the OT the Blood of the
> > > Lamb was
> > > applied to the Ark of the Covenant for the sins of the Nation of
> > > Israel. All
> > > representating what Jesus was going to do when He applied His blood to
> > > the
> > > Ark of the Covenant in Heaven. (A copy of which was built as designed
> > > by God,
> > > to be placed into the Holy of Holies on earth.)
> > >
> > > All of these things were purposed by God to restore Man to be one with
> > > God as
> > > he was designed and created to be in the Garden of Eden. Yet was
> > > broken by
> > > the disobedience of the First Adam. The second Adam, Jesus the
> > > Messiah, was
> > > and is the real sacrifice which ’atoned’ for the sins of mankind to
> > > restore us into the position of being one with Jesus and the Heavenly
> > > Father,
> > > as they were and are One.
> > >
> > > HOW AMAZING IS THAT !!!!
> >
> >
> >
> > Jesus is eternally self-existent as God. John 1:1 states, "In the
> > beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was
> > God." This verse teaches that Jesus (the Word) has always existed as God
> > and with God from eternity, affirming both His distinct personhood and
> > divine nature. Believers, however, do not become part of the Godhead or
> > the eternally self-existing God through their union with Christ.
“For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is
upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel: for
I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him.” (Isa 9:6) Brenton
Jhn 1:1 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and
the Word was God.
Jhn 1:2 (KJV) The same was in the beginning with God.
Jhn 1:3 (KJV) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing
made that was made.
How can the Son of God be with the Heavenly Father, sit on a throne at the
right hand of the Heavenly Fathers throne? V2
How can one person be three different persons? Are they a shape shifter?
Three can be a Godhead, a corporate entity in todays terms, and they can all
be at one in total agreement, yet one is the final authority, as a husband is
to the man and woman being one as ordained by God. They are one in Christ as
he is in the Heavenly Father.
> >
> > Believers become one with Christ and with other believers, not by
> > merging into the essence of God, but by being brought into intimate
> > fellowship with Him. This union is relational and covenantal, reflecting
> > harmony, shared purpose, and participation in God’s life through Christ.
> > It fulfills Jesus’ prayer in John 17:21: "that they may all be one, just
> > as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, that they also may be in Us."
“Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of
judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.” (1Jn 4:17, KJV)
Physically? No. Spiritually? Yes. Is not the Born Again Man born of the
Heavenly Father?
Is not the Spirit of the Most High God dwelling within the heart/spirit of
man? Yes. Is the heart of the BAM eternal and not of this World? Yes. Are we
not known for before the beginning of this present world? Yes. And the
‘coup de gras’ to all this being in the very same scripture that you
quoted? Yes!
John 17:21: "that they may all be one, just as You, Father, are in Me, and I
in You, that they also may be in Us.”
IOW, we as the body of Christ ’are one’ just like Jesus and His Heavenly
Father 'are one” and the Body of Christ which includes all of those who are
Born Again, are ‘One. In US’.
All man, restored to the position of Adam as He was before the flood, and as
he would have been had he partaken of the ’tree of life’ which will be
upon the Day of Resurrection.
Why do you attempt to belittle the Work of Jesus that He did honoring the
will of His Heavenly Father, and was sent to the Earth to fulfill it? Is not
Jesus the second Adam?
Anyone, and I do mean anyone that attempts to belittle the word of God is not
listening to Him as there is only one opposing force of God and that is of
the evil one.
> >
> > Union with Christ means believers are incorporated into His body (1
> > Corinthians 12:27) and partake in the blessings of salvation:
> > justification, sanctification, and glorification (Romans 8:30). Through
> > this union, believers receive new life in Christ, share in the Spirit,
> > and live in obedience to God’s will. However, they do not attain God's
> > attributes such as omnipotence or self-existence.
No one attains anything of God by themselves or their works. We are made via
the grace and mercy of the Heavenly Father The righteousness of God Himself
when we become BAM. A New Creation. Old things are passed away. Meaning the
Old Man is Dead. Deader than a doornail. We Now HAVE a Divine nature in
having been made a new creation. A full and driving force with all its
attributes for all who walk in the spirit.
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