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From: robert@no.way
On Oct 31, 2024, In the Name of Jesus wrote
(Message-ID: ):
> On 1/11/2024 8:25 am, Robert wrote:
> > On Oct 30, 2024, In the Name of Jesus wrote
> > (Message-ID: ):
> >
> > > On 31/10/2024 9:37 am, Christ Rose wrote:
> > > > ========================================
> > > > Wed, 30 Oct 2024 13:41:31 -0700
> > > >
> > > > Robert wrote:
> > > > ========================================
> > > > > atone |əˈtəʊn|. verb [no object]
> > > > >
> > > > > make amends or reparation:a human sacrifice to atone for the sin.
> > > > >
> > > > > origin Middle English(originally in the sense ‘make or become
united or
> > > > > reconciled’, rare before the 16th century):from at one in early
use;
> > > > > later
> > > > > by back-formation from atonement.
> > > > > *
> > > > > atonement|əˈtəʊnm(ə)nt|.
> > > > >
> > > > > noun[mass noun].
> > > > >
> > > > > the action of making amends for a wrong or injury:he submitted his
> > > > > resignation as an act of atonement.
> > > > >
> > > > > (in religious contexts) reparation or expiation for sin:an annual
> > > > > ceremony of
> > > > > confession andatonement forsin.
> > > > >
> > > > > (the Atonement) Christian theology the reconciliation of God and
> > > > > humankind
> > > > > through Jesus Christ,
> > > > >
> > > > > origin;early 16th century(denoting unity or reconciliation,
especially
> > > > > between God and man): from at one+-ment , influenced by medieval
Latin
> > > > > adunamentum‘unity’, and earlier one ment from an obsolete verb
> > > > > one‘to
> > > > > unite’.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Words mean something. IOW One with, as Jesus said, that the Born
Again
> > > > > Believer is one with Him, as He is with the Heavenly Father.
> > > > >
> > > > > What is so intriguing about this is that in the OT the Blood of the
> > > > > Lamb was
> > > > > applied to the Ark of the Covenant for the sins of the Nation of
> > > > > Israel. All
> > > > > representating what Jesus was going to do when He applied His blood
to
> > > > > the
> > > > > Ark of the Covenant in Heaven. (A copy of which was built as designed
> > > > > by God,
> > > > > to be placed into the Holy of Holies on earth.)
> > > > >
> > > > > All of these things were purposed by God to restore Man to be one
with
> > > > > God as
> > > > > he was designed and created to be in the Garden of Eden. Yet was
> > > > > broken by
> > > > > the disobedience of the First Adam. The second Adam, Jesus the
> > > > > Messiah, was
> > > > > and is the real sacrifice which ’atoned’ for the sins of mankind
to
> > > > > restore us into the position of being one with Jesus and the Heavenly
> > > > > Father,
> > > > > as they were and are One.
> > > > >
> > > > > HOW AMAZING IS THAT !!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jesus is eternally self-existent as God. John 1:1 states, "In the
> > > > beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was
> > > > God." This verse teaches that Jesus (the Word) has always existed as
God
> > > > and with God from eternity, affirming both His distinct personhood and
> > > > divine nature. Believers, however, do not become part of the Godhead or
> > > > the eternally self-existing God through their union with Christ.
> >
> > “For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is
> > upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel:
> > for
> > I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him.” (Isa 9:6)
Brenton
>
> Dare I say, you need the Hebrew translation of Isaiah 9:6.
I did, the one they translated from Hebrew into the Greek of that day.
>
>
> > Jhn 1:1 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and
> > the Word was God.
> >
> > Jhn 1:2 (KJV) The same was in the beginning with God.
> >
> > Jhn 1:3 (KJV) All things were made by him; and without him was not any
thing
> > made that was made.
> >
> > How can the Son of God be with the Heavenly Father, sit on a throne at the
> > right hand of the Heavenly Fathers throne? V2
>
> One Spirit. Mankind naturally looks at God and tries to reason Him into
> physical terms. It won't and can't work.
That is correct, so read the scripture as quoted and what did is say in V2?
>
>
> The Lord Jesus is the Father because they are One Spirit, One Lord, and
> that as they say is that.
“As Jesus is, so are we in this present world”
Why did the Heavenly Father withdraw His spirit from Jesus while he was on
the Cross?
Why did his Heavenly Father proudly proclaim Jesus as His Son, from the skies
so that all could hear?
Why didn’t Jesus tell John the Baptist about his being anointed by the Holy
Spirit of God the Father, face to face if he was the Heavenly Father?
And If God the Father gave us His Glory, His power, to be born as Jesus, who
then was the ruler of ALL Heaven?
Why then did Jesus, after he was resurrected tell Mary I go to see My God and
Your God?
Who was the ‘US’, in “let us make man in ‘our’ image?
Is it necessary that the Holy Spirit repeat all that resides in Scripture to
your in order for you to believe them?
Instead of making a ‘god’ out of the Bible, why not read it for what its,
and for the reasons that it gives, and do as Jesus did, show his disciples
the truth of scriptures, and where he was to be found in them.
>
>
> The Lord Jesus Christ was always and is always perfect; only God is the
> source of perfection.
Yet the words Jesus spoke were the words of His Father, he stated clearly
that these were not His own personal words. Yes, Jesus was sinless. From
birth and throughout his life. At his death he became ’sin’ for us. Him
who knew no sin, in order to pay the price, the ransom price for all who will
believe.
“For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be
made the righteousness of God in him.” (2Co 5:21, KJV)
Think about it, throughout the history of Man a Lamb was sacrificed for sin.
Not just any lamb, but one that was perfect and without a flaw. The prime of
the prime.
Jesus was the “lamb of God that taketh away all the sin”
“The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb
of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.” (Jhn 1:29, KJV)
Why are you beholden to the doctrine of the trinity as propagated by the RCC?
>
>
> > How can one person be three different persons? Are they a shape shifter?
>
> One Spirit. Remember, post the fall the only reason we got a Son of God
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