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   One God. You are trying to capture God in material terms; you can't, it   
   is impossible because He is more than material terms. Why do you need   
   the scriptures to mean what you want them to mean to walk with God?   
      
   Was there two Gods in the garden with Adam and Eve?   
      
      
   > Is it necessary that the Holy Spirit repeat all that resides in Scripture to   
   > your in order for you to believe them?   
      
   Perhaps you don't, as yet, have the understanding the Lord would have   
   you have?   
      
      
   > Instead of making a ‘god’ out of the Bible, why not read it for what its,   
   > and for the reasons that it gives, and do as Jesus did, show his disciples   
   > the truth of scriptures, and where he was to be found in them.   
      
   There is so much more to say but I have already said, many times, enough   
   for you to grasp and understand if you were willing.   
      
   You are not interacting with me as you see me, Robert, you are   
   interacting with the Lord.   
      
   That is what Paul was saying when he said, "Be followers of me."   
      
   Paul was merely a vessel; all the glory is the Lord's.   
      
      
   >> The Lord Jesus Christ was always and is always perfect; only God is the   
   >> source of perfection.   
   >   
   > Yet the words Jesus spoke were the words of His Father, he stated clearly   
   > that these were not His own personal words. Yes, Jesus was sinless. From   
   > birth and throughout his life. At his death he became ’sin’ for us.   
      
   If you mean He turned dirty then you have said a very bad thing. For   
   one, He is always was, is, and will be forever what He has always been.   
   Or to say it another way, a spotless lamb doesn't become spotted when it   
   is being slaughtered for the sins of slaughters.   
      
      
   > Him   
   > who knew no sin, in order to pay the price, the ransom price for all who will   
   > believe.   
   >   
   > “For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be   
   > made the righteousness of God in him.” (2Co 5:21, KJV)   
      
   It means He was was "made" to be sin for us, not that he was made sin.   
   If I say to the judge, I will take the death penalty for that man's   
   murder, that does not make my personhood a murderer. Yes, I pay the   
   price for the sin, but that does not make me a murderer!   
      
   You said yourself, "Jesus was sinless." He was, is, and always will be.   
      
      
   > Think about it, throughout the history of Man a Lamb was sacrificed for sin.   
   > Not just any lamb, but one that was perfect and without a flaw. The prime of   
   > the prime.   
      
   And His character, His being did not change.   
      
   > Jesus was the “lamb of God that taketh away all the sin”   
      
   Amen. Spotless, pure, holy, and not act of man ever made Him otherwise.   
      
   > “The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb   
   > of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.” (Jhn 1:29, KJV)   
      
   How did He do that?   
      
   > Why are you beholden to the doctrine of the trinity as propagated by the RCC?   
      
   Don't go off the reservation, Robert, if you do, it'll end the discussion.   
      
      
      
   >>> How can one person be three different persons? Are they a shape shifter?   
   >>   
   >> One Spirit. Remember, post the fall the only reason we got a Son of God   
   >> in the flesh is because God had to place separation in Himself (make a   
   >> way) in order to bring His children back to and into Him.   
   >   
   > Jesus was not born without a spirit. Man was created with a body soul and   
   > spirit. We all propagated after our own kind. Which we were created to do and   
   > be. We are to worship God the Father and pray to Him. Not to Jesus. (Which is   
   > hard to do solely, as Jesus Christ was our redeemer.) Yet we are commanded to   
   > do so, and Jesus gave us the reasoning behind that in the scripture.   
      
   There is no problem if you believe in One God.   
      
   I always pray to the Lord because...that is the way God chose to   
   identify and identifies with us; God with us. Thomas didn't have a   
   problem being in obeisance to the Lord Jesus because He SAW God before   
   Him, the One God. It is not about material terms, but spiritual reality.   
      
   But if you want to see with the eyes of facts and bible doctrine   
   (ChristRose modus operandi) you won't be able to see with the eyes of   
   faith, which incidentally, is the only way to see God.   
      
      
   > Mankind is not the children of God, for they follow another.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>> Three can be a Godhead, a corporate entity in todays terms, and they can   
   all   
   >>> be at one in total agreement, yet one is the final authority, as a husband   
   is   
   >>> to the man and woman being one as ordained by God. They are one in Christ   
   as   
   >>> he is in the Heavenly Father.   
   >>   
   >> You can't contain God in physical terms or material terms; if you could,   
   >> you would be greater than God.   
   >   
   > Of course not. Only a fool would declare that he could.   
      
   It is not what a man declares in his material world, but what he   
   does...in the Spirit.   
      
      
   >> He is One Spirit; Father and Son are God, One and the Same, One Holy   
   >> Spirit. God is everywhere and in everything; the Father as we see Him   
   >> and the Son as we see Him; both are God. There is only One God.   
   >   
   > Cam you define nor understand ‘one’ as spoken in the scriptures.   
      
   ?   
      
      
      
   >>>>> Believers become one with Christ and with other believers, not by   
   >>>>> merging into the essence of God, but by being brought into intimate   
   >>>>> fellowship with Him. This union is relational and covenantal, reflecting   
   >>>>> harmony, shared purpose, and participation in God’s life through   
   Christ.   
   >>>>> It fulfills Jesus’ prayer in John 17:21: "that they may all be one,   
   just   
   >>>>> as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, that they also may be in Us."   
   >>>   
   >>> “Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of   
   >>> judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.” (1Jn 4:17, KJV)   
   >>>   
   >>> Physically? No. Spiritually? Yes. Is not the Born Again Man born of the   
   >>> Heavenly Father?   
   >>   
   >> I stated something the other day which surprised me, and I am yet to   
   >> revisit and meditate further on.   
   >>   
   >> All-knowing on high Rosie wrote:   
   >>> In short, believers do not BECOME The Eternally Self-existing GOD   
   >> when >  they are made one in Christ.   
   >>   
   >> And my reply to our rosie Rosie...   
   >>   
   >> Yes, they do. Family is family and is eternal self-existent Oneness in   
   >> and of God.   
   >>   
   >> And this was explained to me by the Holy Spirit...   
   >>   
   >> "No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such   
   >> is the love of God."   
   >>   
   >> You see, it is about the nature and glory of God. He is a "withhold   
   >> nothing" God whose love is all inclusive.   
   >>   
   >> Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all   
   >> that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,   
   >>   
   >> The power of what?   
   >   
   > The Holy Spirt, who dwells within the Spirit of Born Again Man.   
      
   Now, what would you think if I said to you, since a son is immersed (in   
   the vine) in God that he is actually the full expression of the Holy   
   Spirit since the Lord Jesus is his Lord?   
      
   Here you go...   
      
   1Jn_4:17  Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in   
   the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.   
      
   "Family is family and is eternal self-existent Oneness in and of God.   
      
   Boldness! How can a sinner have boldness?   
      
   He can't.   
      
      
   >> You need to have faith in God and lean not on your own sinner   
   >> understanding. You are your own very bad enemy.   
   >   
   > As I told you before, and recently, I learned that and started practicing   
   > that many decades ago, whether you believe me or not.   
      
   That was to ChristRosie the sinless sinner christian.   
      
      
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