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From: robert@no.way
On Nov 1, 2024, In the Name of Jesus wrote
(Message-ID: ):
> On 1/11/2024 1:03 pm, Robert wrote:
> > On Oct 31, 2024, In the Name of Jesus wrote
> > (Message-ID: ):
> >
> > > On 1/11/2024 8:25 am, Robert wrote:
> > > > On Oct 30, 2024, In the Name of Jesus wrote
> > > > (Message-ID: ):
> > > >
> > > > > On 31/10/2024 9:37 am, Christ Rose wrote:
> > > > > > ========================================
> > > > > > Wed, 30 Oct 2024 13:41:31 -0700
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Robert wrote:
> > > > > > ========================================
> > > > > > > atone |əˈtəʊn|. verb [no object]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > make amends or reparation:a human sacrifice to atone for the sin.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > origin Middle English(originally in the sense ‘make or become
united
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > reconciled’, rare before the 16th century):from at one in
early use;
> > > > > > > later
> > > > > > > by back-formation from atonement.
> > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > atonement|əˈtəʊnm(ə)nt|.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > noun[mass noun].
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the action of making amends for a wrong or injury:he submitted
his
> > > > > > > resignation as an act of atonement.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (in religious contexts) reparation or expiation for sin:an annual
> > > > > > > ceremony of
> > > > > > > confession andatonement forsin.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (the Atonement) Christian theology the reconciliation of God and
> > > > > > > humankind
> > > > > > > through Jesus Christ,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > origin;early 16th century(denoting unity or reconciliation,
especially
> > > > > > > between God and man): from at one+-ment , influenced by medieval
Latin
> > > > > > > adunamentum‘unity’, and earlier one ment from an obsolete
verb
> > > > > > > one‘to
> > > > > > > unite’.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Words mean something. IOW One with, as Jesus said, that the Born
Again
> > > > > > > Believer is one with Him, as He is with the Heavenly Father.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What is so intriguing about this is that in the OT the Blood of
the
> > > > > > > Lamb was
> > > > > > > applied to the Ark of the Covenant for the sins of the Nation of
> > > > > > > Israel. All
> > > > > > > representating what Jesus was going to do when He applied His
blood to
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > Ark of the Covenant in Heaven. (A copy of which was built as
designed
> > > > > > > by God,
> > > > > > > to be placed into the Holy of Holies on earth.)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > All of these things were purposed by God to restore Man to be
one with
> > > > > > > God as
> > > > > > > he was designed and created to be in the Garden of Eden. Yet was
> > > > > > > broken by
> > > > > > > the disobedience of the First Adam. The second Adam, Jesus the
> > > > > > > Messiah, was
> > > > > > > and is the real sacrifice which ’atoned’ for the sins of
mankind to
> > > > > > > restore us into the position of being one with Jesus and the
Heavenly
> > > > > > > Father,
> > > > > > > as they were and are One.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > HOW AMAZING IS THAT !!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jesus is eternally self-existent as God. John 1:1 states, "In the
> > > > > > beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was
> > > > > > God." This verse teaches that Jesus (the Word) has always existed
as God
> > > > > > and with God from eternity, affirming both His distinct personhood
and
> > > > > > divine nature. Believers, however, do not become part of the
Godhead or
> > > > > > the eternally self-existing God through their union with Christ.
> > > >
> > > > “For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose
government
> > > > is
> > > > upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great
counsel:
> > > > for
> > > > I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him.” (Isa 9:6)
> > > > Brenton
> > >
> > > Dare I say, you need the Hebrew translation of Isaiah 9:6.
> >
> > I did, the one they translated from Hebrew into the Greek of that day.
>
> He might have thought he did. :-).
There were 70 priests involved, the faithfully followed the rules for making
a copy of the original scriptures, but applied it to the translations from
Hebrew into koine Greek. This was well before the Masoretic texts which are
known to not be nearly as thorough, as well as anti Jesus.
>
>
> > > > Jhn 1:1 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
> > > > and the Word was God.
> > > >
> > > > Jhn 1:2 (KJV) The same was in the beginning with God.
> > > >
> > > > Jhn 1:3 (KJV) All things were made by him; and without him was not any
> > > > thing
> > > > made that was made.
> > > >
> > > > How can the Son of God be with the Heavenly Father, sit on a throne at
the
> > > > right hand of the Heavenly Fathers throne? V2
> > >
> > > One Spirit. Mankind naturally looks at God and tries to reason Him into
> > > physical terms. It won't and can't work.
> >
> > That is correct, so read the scripture as quoted and what did is say in V2?
>
> Yep, I did, "The same was in the beginning with God."
>
> I don't think we are on the same page, though.
Obviously, maybe a rewrite might help you/
V2 The (Word of God/Jesus)same was in the beginning with God. Or as the AMPC
puts it, He was present originally with God.
>
> > > The Lord Jesus is the Father because they are One Spirit, One Lord, and
> > > that as they say is that.
> >
> > “As Jesus is, so are we in this present world”
>
> That is true, but good luck with the religious institutions with that if
> you go all the way with that.
>
> > Why did the Heavenly Father withdraw His spirit from Jesus while he was on
> > the Cross?
>
> He didn't.
“And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying,Eli, Eli,
lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken
me?” (Mat 27:46, KJV)
>
> The Lord Jesus didn't change; He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Jesus had given up his former glory and power to be born as man. So that he
was subject to the same trials as is man. He grew as man did, in knowledge
and wisdom, was well known in his area as a carpenter. Until it was his time
for ministry as a mature man, which at that time the custom was around 30 or
so years old, Not the 21 or 18 as is commonly accepted in the USA. At that
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