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   > There is so much more to say but I have already said, many times, enough   
   > for you to grasp and understand if you were willing.   
   >   
   > You are not interacting with me as you see me, Robert, you are   
   > interacting with the Lord.   
      
   Sorry Bubba, but I have direct access to the Lord. The things I have been   
   speaking of here, He showed me as well as gave me the understandings of it.   
   That is not to say that the Lord does not speak to others via his servants,   
   for he does. In those cases it is obvious for the Spirit of the Father bears   
   witness within ones heart which the scriptures also says and bears witness   
   to.   
      
   >   
   > That is what Paul was saying when he said, "Be followers of me.”   
      
   The rest of that verse says “even as I also of Christ” IOW Follow or   
   imitate Christ.   
   >   
   >   
   > Paul was merely a vessel; all the glory is the Lord's.   
      
   I am aware of how God speaks and how he confirms His words.   
   Many a cult leader speaks exactly as you have spoken, with many dying as a   
   direct result of that. Paul would never mock God by making fun of the gift of   
   tongues. Nor would he use any foul language. By His fruits we knew him and by   
   your fruits you likewise are known.   
      
   >   
   >   
   > > > The Lord Jesus Christ was always and is always perfect; only God is the   
   > > > source of perfection.   
   > >   
   > > Yet the words Jesus spoke were the words of His Father, he stated clearly   
   > > that these were not His own personal words. Yes, Jesus was sinless. From   
   > > birth and throughout his life. At his death he became ’sin’ for us.   
   >   
   > If you mean He turned dirty then you have said a very bad thing. For   
   > one, He is always was, is, and will be forever what He has always been.   
   > Or to say it another way, a spotless lamb doesn't become spotted when it   
   > is being slaughtered for the sins of slaughters.   
   >   
   > > Him   
   > > who knew no sin, in order to pay the price, the ransom price for all who   
   > > will believe.   
   > >   
   > > “For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be   
   > > made the righteousness of God in him.” (2Co 5:21, KJV)   
   >   
   > It means He was was "made" to be sin for us, not that he was made sin.   
   > If I say to the judge, I will take the death penalty for that man's   
   > murder, that does not make my personhood a murderer. Yes, I pay the   
   > price for the sin, but that does not make me a murderer!   
      
   Actually the words “to be” was not part of that scripture, it was   
   infected for clarities sake. It really said "He was made sin for us."   
   >   
   > You said yourself, "Jesus was sinless." He was, is, and always will be.   
      
   The scripture said “who knew no sin” His Father made him sin IOW placed   
   all the sins of mankind upon Him for which Jesus paid the price for all of   
   us. Jesus knew full well what was going to happen as he made clear in the   
   garden of Gethsemane when He asked his Father, if it be possible, take this   
   cup away from me. He knew of the intense misery that he was about to bear.   
   Yes. He was without sin, because of the life he lived. He lived as man,   
   subject to all the temptations of men, yet he fulfilled all the Law, and was   
   sinless. As unspotted as a sacrificial lamb. For that reason hell could not   
   contain him. And YES the sin he bore took him to the deepest part of hell.   
      
   But then all these things you should know and be aware of before I even   
   brought them to you from the scriptures. Eh?   
      
   >   
   > > Think about it, throughout the history of Man a Lamb was sacrificed for   
   sin.   
   > > Not just any lamb, but one that was perfect and without a flaw. The prime   
   of   
   > > the prime.   
   >   
   > And His character, His being did not change.   
      
   He died as man does, not God.   
   >   
   > > Jesus was the “lamb of God that taketh away all the sin”   
   >   
   > Amen. Spotless, pure, holy, and not act of man ever made Him otherwise.   
   >   
   > > “The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the   
   Lamb   
   > > of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.” (Jhn 1:29, KJV)   
   >   
   > How did He do that?   
   >   
   > > Why are you beholden to the doctrine of the trinity as propagated by the   
   > > RCC?   
   >   
   > Don't go off the reservation, Robert, if you do, it'll end the discussion.   
      
   Fine then I will stop it here. the Bible does not teach the trinity. Never   
   did. It is a doctrine of men.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > How can one person be three different persons? Are they a shape   
   shifter?   
   > > >   
   > > > One Spirit. Remember, post the fall the only reason we got a Son of God   
   > > > in the flesh is because God had to place separation in Himself (make a   
   > > > way) in order to bring His children back to and into Him.   
   > >   
   > > Jesus was not born without a spirit. Man was created with a body soul and   
   > > spirit. We all propagated after our own kind. Which we were created to do   
   > > and   
   > > be. We are to worship God the Father and pray to Him. Not to Jesus. (Which   
   > > is   
   > > hard to do solely, as Jesus Christ was our redeemer.) Yet we are commanded   
   > > to   
   > > do so, and Jesus gave us the reasoning behind that in the scripture.   
   >   
   > There is no problem if you believe in One God.   
   >   
   > I always pray to the Lord because...that is the way God chose to   
   > identify and identifies with us; God with us. Thomas didn't have a   
   > problem being in obeisance to the Lord Jesus because He SAW God before   
   > Him, the One God. It is not about material terms, but spiritual reality.   
   >   
   > But if you want to see with the eyes of facts and bible doctrine   
   > (ChristRose modus operandi) you won't be able to see with the eyes of   
   > faith, which incidentally, is the only way to see God.   
   >   
   > > Mankind is not the children of God, for they follow another.   
   > > >   
   > > >   
   > > > > Three can be a Godhead, a corporate entity in todays terms, and they   
   can   
   > > > > all   
   > > > > be at one in total agreement, yet one is the final authority, as a   
   > > > > husband is   
   > > > > to the man and woman being one as ordained by God. They are one in   
   Christ   
   > > > > as   
   > > > > he is in the Heavenly Father.   
   > > >   
   > > > You can't contain God in physical terms or material terms; if you could,   
   > > > you would be greater than God.   
   > >   
   > > Of course not. Only a fool would declare that he could.   
   >   
   > It is not what a man declares in his material world, but what he   
   > does...in the Spirit.   
   >   
   > > > He is One Spirit; Father and Son are God, One and the Same, One Holy   
   > > > Spirit. God is everywhere and in everything; the Father as we see Him   
   > > > and the Son as we see Him; both are God. There is only One God.   
   > >   
   > > Cam you define nor understand ‘one’ as spoken in the scriptures.   
   >   
   > ?   
   >   
   > > > > > > Believers become one with Christ and with other believers, not by   
   > > > > > > merging into the essence of God, but by being brought into intimate   
   > > > > > > fellowship with Him. This union is relational and covenantal,   
   reflecting   
   > > > > > > harmony, shared purpose, and participation in God’s life through   
   > > > > > > Christ.   
   > > > > > > It fulfills Jesus’ prayer in John 17:21: "that they may all be   
   one,   
   > > > > > > just   
   > > > > > > as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, that they also may be in   
   Us."   
   > > > >   
   > > > > “Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the   
   day   
   > > > > of   
   > > > > judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.” (1Jn 4:17, KJV)   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Physically? No. Spiritually? Yes. Is not the Born Again Man born of the   
   > > > > Heavenly Father?   
   > > >   
   > > > I stated something the other day which surprised me, and I am yet to   
   > > > revisit and meditate further on.   
   > > >   
   > > > All-knowing on high Rosie wrote:   
      
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