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   > > > > In short, believers do not BECOME The Eternally Self-existing GOD   
   > > > when >  they are made one in Christ.   
   > > >   
   > > > And my reply to our rosie Rosie...   
   > > >   
   > > > Yes, they do. Family is family and is eternal self-existent Oneness in   
   > > > and of God.   
   > > >   
   > > > And this was explained to me by the Holy Spirit...   
   > > >   
   > > > "No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such   
   > > > is the love of God."   
   > > >   
   > > > You see, it is about the nature and glory of God. He is a "withhold   
   > > > nothing" God whose love is all inclusive.   
   > > >   
   > > > Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all   
   > > > that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,   
   > > >   
   > > > The power of what?   
   > >   
   > > The Holy Spirt, who dwells within the Spirit of Born Again Man.   
   >   
   > Now, what would you think if I said to you, since a son is immersed (in   
   > the vine) in God that he is actually the full expression of the Holy   
   > Spirit since the Lord Jesus is his Lord?   
   >   
   > Here you go...   
   >   
   > 1Jn_4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in   
   > the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.   
   >   
   > "Family is family and is eternal self-existent Oneness in and of God.   
   >   
   > Boldness! How can a sinner have boldness?   
   >   
   > He can't.   
   >   
   > > > You need to have faith in God and lean not on your own sinner   
   > > > understanding. You are your own very bad enemy.   
   > >   
   > > As I told you before, and recently, I learned that and started practicing   
   > > that many decades ago, whether you believe me or not.   
   >   
   > That was to ChristRosie the sinless sinner christian.   
   >   
   > Also, it may be that you don't put it into practice because it is   
   > inherent and you can't be any other way. Of course a man can think any   
   > number of ways, but where the rubber meets the road, the bottom line,   
   > his action is faith (leaning not on one's own understanding). One cannot   
   > be in God and be your own Lord at any point.   
   >   
   > > > > Is not the Spirit of the Most High God dwelling within the   
   heart/spirit of   
   > > > > man? Yes. Is the heart of the BAM eternal and not of this World? Yes.   
   Are   
   > > > > we   
   > > > > not known for before the beginning of this present world? Yes. And the   
   > > > > ‘coup de gras’ to all this being in the very same scripture that   
   you   
   > > > > quoted? Yes!   
   > > > >   
   > > > > John 17:21: "that they may all be one, just as You, Father, are in Me,   
   > > > > and I   
   > > > > in You, that they also may be in Us.”   
   > > > >   
   > > > > IOW, we as the body of Christ ’are one’ just like Jesus and His   
   > > > > Heavenly   
   > > > > Father 'are one” and the Body of Christ which includes all of those   
   who   
   > > > > are   
   > > > > Born Again, are ‘One. In US’.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > All man, restored to the position of Adam as He was before the flood,   
   and   
   > > > > as   
   > > > > he would have been had he partaken of the ’tree of life’ which   
   will be   
   > > > > upon the Day of Resurrection.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Why do you attempt to belittle the Work of Jesus that He did honoring   
   the   
   > > > > will of His Heavenly Father, and was sent to the Earth to fulfill it?   
   Is   
   > > > > not   
   > > > > Jesus the second Adam?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Anyone, and I do mean anyone that attempts to belittle the word of God   
   is   
   > > > > not   
   > > > > listening to Him as there is only one opposing force of God and that   
   is of   
   > > > > the evil one.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Union with Christ means believers are incorporated into His body (1   
   > > > > > > Corinthians 12:27) and partake in the blessings of salvation:   
   > > > > > > justification, sanctification, and glorification (Romans 8:30).   
   Through   
   > > > > > > this union, believers receive new life in Christ, share in the   
   Spirit,   
   > > > > > > and live in obedience to God’s will. However, they do not attain   
   God's   
   > > > > > > attributes such as omnipotence or self-existence.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > No one attains anything of God by themselves or their works. We are   
   made   
   > > > > via   
   > > > > the grace and mercy of the Heavenly Father The righteousness of God   
   > > > > Himself   
   > > > > when we become BAM. A New Creation. Old things are passed away. Meaning   
   > > > > the   
   > > > > Old Man is Dead. Deader than a doornail. We Now HAVE a Divine nature in   
   > > > > having been made a new creation. A full and driving force with all its   
   > > > > attributes for all who walk in the spirit.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Those who attempt to revive the old carnal nature are living in their   
   > > > > carnal   
   > > > > dead self. Seeking to live in the old, while pretending to live or   
   dwell   
   > > > > in   
   > > > > spiritual things. Living in the old dead carnal self and reshaping the   
   > > > > will   
   > > > > of God to conform to their old dead self, is to dwell in sin. They   
   attempt   
   > > > > to   
   > > > > conform the will of God per their self righteous desires having not   
   > > > > committed   
   > > > > themselves to God the Father and now place themselves over that of a   
   > > > > ’sovereign God’.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Instead, believers experience unity with God in the sense of   
   communion   
   > > > > > > and shared fellowship. 2 Peter 1:4 explains that believers become   
   > > > > > > "partakers of the divine nature," not by becoming God but by   
   escaping   
   > > > > > > the corruption of the world and reflecting God's character. This   
   union   
   > > > > > > brings transformation into Christlikeness (Romans 8:29) and aligns   
   > > > > > > believers with God's purposes, but it preserves the    
   reator-creature   
   > > > > > > distinction.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > partake | pɑːˈteɪk |   
   > > > >   
   > > > > verb (past partook | pɑːˈtʊk |; past participle partaken |   
   > > > > pɑːˈteɪk(ə)n |) [no object]   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 1 (partake of) formal, or humorous eat or drink (something): he partook   
   > > > > of a   
   > > > > well-earned drink | I would be proud to partake of your pecan pie.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 2 (partake in) formal, or humorous join in (an activity): visitors can   
   > > > > partake in golfing or clay pigeon shooting.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 3 (partake of) formal be characterized by (a quality): the birth of   
   twins   
   > > > > became an event which partook of the mythic.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > origin   
   > > > >   
   > > > > mid 16th century: back-formation from earlier partaker ‘person who   
   > > > > takes a   
   > > > > part’.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > IOW be a full part of. Having partook.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Hence, ‘we are’ the righteousness of God. We were ‘enjoined’.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Those who desire their fleshly ways have not committed themselves to   
   God   
   > > > > and   
   > > > > still listen to the evil one as having a point of reason.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Thus, while believers become one with Christ and share fellowship   
   with   
   > > > > > > God, they remain distinct beings. Their unity with God mirrors   
   > > > > > > relational oneness rather than ontological unity—the perfect,   
   eternal   
   > > > > > > unity shared uniquely by the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > “If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for   
   he   
   > > > > that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God   
   whom he   
   > > > > hath not seen? And this commandment have we from him, That he who   
   loveth   
   > > > > God   
   > > > > love his brother also.” (1Jn 4:20-21, KJV)   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 1 John 2:9(KJV) He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his   
   brother,   
   > > > > is   
   > > > > in darkness even until now.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > In short, believers do not BECOME The Eternally Self-existing GOD   
   when   
      
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    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)