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   > restored to His former Glory, which he sorely missed and desired, and had   
   > also asked His Father if they disciples could see that glory on at least one   
   > occasion, which is now called His Transfiguration on the Mount of Olives.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>> Why did his Heavenly Father proudly proclaim Jesus as His Son, from the   
   >>> skies so that all could hear?   
   >>   
   >> There is only One God, Robert, only ever been One God. It was explained,   
   >> God placed separation in Himself, both sides of the veil...God.   
   >   
   > One as in Unity. The Godhead. If there were only one being called God, and no   
   > ‘us’ as is stated in the Bible, then God could not keep a secret from   
   > himself, such as when it is time for Christ to come for his body of   
   > believers. It would also mean that Jesus was a ventriloquist and threw his   
   > voice into the clouds to say, “this is my well beloved Son, hear ye him”   
   > which is contrary to his statements regarding “that I can do nothing of   
   > myself” and also his statements regarding defending himself and proving   
   > himself as God before the men of his time.   
   >   
   > “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is   
   > just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath   
   > sent me. If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. There is   
   > another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he   
   > witnesseth of me is true.” (Jhn 5:30-32, KJV)   
   >   
   >>   
   >>> Why didn’t Jesus tell John the Baptist about his being anointed by the   
   >>> Holy Spirit of God the Father, face to face if he was the Heavenly Father?   
   >>   
   >> Have you the exhaustive mind of God?   
   >>   
   >> As was said, you can't bring God down to a material calculation. "One   
   >> Spirit. Mankind naturally looks at God and tries to reason Him into   
   >> physical terms. It won't and can't work."   
   >>   
   >> This is a preeminent theme in the verse I have been quoting lately...   
   >>   
   >> Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine   
   >> own understanding.   
   >>   
   >> If you could bring down God to a mental concept capable of being   
   >> captured by the human mind, it wouldn't be of faith.   
   >   
   > Yet as a believer this is true,... “But the natural man receiveth not the   
   > things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can   
   > he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is   
   > spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who   
   > hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the   
   > mind of Christ.” (1Co 2:14-16, KJV)   
   >   
   > This addresses all that you stated above, but the correct way, which is the   
   > reality of the believer in Jesus the Christ.   
   >   
   >>   
   >>> And If God the Father gave us His Glory, His power, to be born as Jesus,   
   who   
   >>> then was the ruler of ALL Heaven?   
   >>   
   >> As above.   
   >>   
   >> Is there only One God? And is the Lord Jesus God? I would hope you would   
   >> say yes to both questions.   
   >   
   > If I did I would not be true to the word of God. They are ‘as one’.   
   > Unified. Like a husband and wife are ‘one’. And that is what the word of   
   > God speaks to their relationship, yet the Husband is the one in authority or   
   > the ‘head’ of the family. And Yes, this is established by God. It is   
   > indeed His understanding and specified as such.   
   >>   
   >> They are One Spirit, One Lord, and One God, but God placed separation in   
   >> Himself to allow us to become One with Him. Think of the Red Sea   
   >> parting, One Sea, but God opened the way for the Israelites, but at no   
   >> point did it ever change from being One Red Sea.   
   >   
   > That is what you call human understanding, for which you criticize me if I do   
   > so. And to cover what you missed here, there was dry land between the two,   
   > thus separating the waters. The barrier was in place as real and fixed as if   
   > their was a mountain separating the two waters.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>> Why then did Jesus, after he was resurrected tell Mary I go to see My God   
   >>> and Your God?   
   >>   
   >> You are too caught up in the materialism, in the idea you can contain   
   >> God in your mind.   
   >   
   > Not at all. You are trying to rationalize with your mind, things that are   
   > spiritual, and then have confusion because you are unfamiliar with the things   
   > of the spirit, which all men are are limited because we see through a glass   
   > darkly.   
   >   
   > “Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my   
   > Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father,   
   > and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” (Jhn 20:17, KJV)   
   >   
   > That scripture is as true now as the last time it was pointed out to you.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> The Red Sea was simply coming back together.   
   >   
   > It was rejoined and in doing so it judged the Egyptians.   
   > Like Jesus, it was the path, the way, Through which Salvation to the   
   > Israelites was provided, yet many which were saved returned to their old ways   
   > and so they died, never receiving the Promised Land. Jesus is also the one   
   > who judges all men. As those people fell, that were saved Via doubt and   
   > disbelief, so it is with many in the church today, and for that reason Jesus   
   > said, ...   
   >   
   > Luk 21:34 (KJV) And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be   
   > overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and   
   > sothat day come upon you unawares.   
   >   
   > Luk 21:35 (KJV) For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the   
   > face of the whole earth.   
   >   
   > Luk 21:36 (KJV) Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted   
   > worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand   
   > before the Son of man.   
   >   
   >>   
   >>> Who was the ‘US’, in “let us make man in ‘our’ image?   
   >>   
   >> One God. You are trying to capture God in material terms; you can't, it   
   >> is impossible because He is more than material terms. Why do you need   
   >> the scriptures to mean what you want them to mean to walk with God?   
   >   
   > Gen 1:26 (KJV) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our   
   > likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the   
   > fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every   
   > creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.   
   >   
   > Notice the “ in and our ” statements that Jesus made. Not man, Did God   
   > really not mean to say that? Is that what you are suggesting?   
   >   
   > Perhaps this is a good time to again say, what does the word God mean, how   
   > many meanings are there to the word. And when does it mean Master, Elohim,   
   > YHWH, Satan, a JUDGE, At one time Elohim was used loosely in a generic sense   
   > by man who worshipped what they called gods and called them Elohim. This is a   
   > topic you should study.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> Was there two Gods in the garden with Adam and Eve?   
   >   
   > There was the God of this earth, Who walked with them, and there was also the   
   > Heavenly Father, the “Ancient One” as written in the OT. But it was only   
   > Jesus who walked with them.   
   >>   
   >>> Is it necessary that the Holy Spirit repeat all that resides in Scripture   
   to   
   >>> your in order for you to believe them?   
   >>   
   >> Perhaps you don't, as yet, have the understanding the Lord would have   
   >> you have?   
   >   
   > If you knew all things then there would be nothing new to reveal to you.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>> Instead of making a ‘god’ out of the Bible, why not read it for what   
   its,   
   >>> and for the reasons that it gives, and do as Jesus did, show his disciples   
   >>> the truth of scriptures, and where he was to be found in them.   
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