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   >> There is so much more to say but I have already said, many times, enough   
   >> for you to grasp and understand if you were willing.   
   >>   
   >> You are not interacting with me as you see me, Robert, you are   
   >> interacting with the Lord.   
   >   
   > Sorry Bubba, but I have direct access to the Lord. The things I have been   
   > speaking of here, He showed me as well as gave me the understandings of it.   
   > That is not to say that the Lord does not speak to others via his servants,   
   > for he does. In those cases it is obvious for the Spirit of the Father bears   
   > witness within ones heart which the scriptures also says and bears witness   
   > to.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> That is what Paul was saying when he said, "Be followers of me.”   
   >   
   > The rest of that verse says “even as I also of Christ” IOW Follow or   
   > imitate Christ.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Paul was merely a vessel; all the glory is the Lord's.   
   >   
   > I am aware of how God speaks and how he confirms His words.   
   > Many a cult leader speaks exactly as you have spoken, with many dying as a   
   > direct result of that. Paul would never mock God by making fun of the gift of   
   > tongues. Nor would he use any foul language. By His fruits we knew him and by   
   > your fruits you likewise are known.   
   >   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>> The Lord Jesus Christ was always and is always perfect; only God is the   
   >>>> source of perfection.   
   >>>   
   >>> Yet the words Jesus spoke were the words of His Father, he stated clearly   
   >>> that these were not His own personal words. Yes, Jesus was sinless. From   
   >>> birth and throughout his life. At his death he became ’sin’ for us.   
   >>   
   >> If you mean He turned dirty then you have said a very bad thing. For   
   >> one, He is always was, is, and will be forever what He has always been.   
   >> Or to say it another way, a spotless lamb doesn't become spotted when it   
   >> is being slaughtered for the sins of slaughters.   
   >>   
   >>> Him   
   >>> who knew no sin, in order to pay the price, the ransom price for all who   
   >>> will believe.   
   >>>   
   >>> “For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be   
   >>> made the righteousness of God in him.” (2Co 5:21, KJV)   
   >>   
   >> It means He was was "made" to be sin for us, not that he was made sin.   
   >> If I say to the judge, I will take the death penalty for that man's   
   >> murder, that does not make my personhood a murderer. Yes, I pay the   
   >> price for the sin, but that does not make me a murderer!   
   >   
   > Actually the words “to be” was not part of that scripture, it was   
   > infected for clarities sake. It really said "He was made sin for us."   
   >>   
   >> You said yourself, "Jesus was sinless." He was, is, and always will be.   
   >   
   > The scripture said “who knew no sin” His Father made him sin IOW placed   
   > all the sins of mankind upon Him for which Jesus paid the price for all of   
   > us. Jesus knew full well what was going to happen as he made clear in the   
   > garden of Gethsemane when He asked his Father, if it be possible, take this   
   > cup away from me. He knew of the intense misery that he was about to bear.   
   > Yes. He was without sin, because of the life he lived. He lived as man,   
   > subject to all the temptations of men, yet he fulfilled all the Law, and was   
   > sinless. As unspotted as a sacrificial lamb. For that reason hell could not   
   > contain him. And YES the sin he bore took him to the deepest part of hell.   
   >   
   > But then all these things you should know and be aware of before I even   
   > brought them to you from the scriptures. Eh?   
   >   
   >>   
   >>> Think about it, throughout the history of Man a Lamb was sacrificed for   
   sin.   
   >>> Not just any lamb, but one that was perfect and without a flaw. The prime   
   of   
   >>> the prime.   
   >>   
   >> And His character, His being did not change.   
   >   
   > He died as man does, not God.   
   >>   
   >>> Jesus was the “lamb of God that taketh away all the sin”   
   >>   
   >> Amen. Spotless, pure, holy, and not act of man ever made Him otherwise.   
   >>   
   >>> “The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the   
   Lamb   
   >>> of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.” (Jhn 1:29, KJV)   
   >>   
   >> How did He do that?   
   >>   
   >>> Why are you beholden to the doctrine of the trinity as propagated by the   
   >>> RCC?   
   >>   
   >> Don't go off the reservation, Robert, if you do, it'll end the discussion.   
   >   
   > Fine then I will stop it here. the Bible does not teach the trinity. Never   
   > did. It is a doctrine of men.   
      
   Your context is not on the table and it doesn't belong there.   
      
   I went through the reply giving explanations but I see you wilfully   
   remain leaning on your own understanding.   
      
   So, the end of the discussion it is.   
      
      
      
      
      
   In the Name of Jesus   
      
      
      
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>>> How can one person be three different persons? Are they a shape shifter?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> One Spirit. Remember, post the fall the only reason we got a Son of God   
   >>>> in the flesh is because God had to place separation in Himself (make a   
   >>>> way) in order to bring His children back to and into Him.   
   >>>   
   >>> Jesus was not born without a spirit. Man was created with a body soul and   
   >>> spirit. We all propagated after our own kind. Which we were created to do   
   >>> and   
   >>> be. We are to worship God the Father and pray to Him. Not to Jesus. (Which   
   >>> is   
   >>> hard to do solely, as Jesus Christ was our redeemer.) Yet we are commanded   
   >>> to   
   >>> do so, and Jesus gave us the reasoning behind that in the scripture.   
   >>   
   >> There is no problem if you believe in One God.   
   >>   
   >> I always pray to the Lord because...that is the way God chose to   
   >> identify and identifies with us; God with us. Thomas didn't have a   
   >> problem being in obeisance to the Lord Jesus because He SAW God before   
   >> Him, the One God. It is not about material terms, but spiritual reality.   
   >>   
   >> But if you want to see with the eyes of facts and bible doctrine   
   >> (ChristRose modus operandi) you won't be able to see with the eyes of   
   >> faith, which incidentally, is the only way to see God.   
   >>   
   >>> Mankind is not the children of God, for they follow another.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Three can be a Godhead, a corporate entity in todays terms, and they can   
   >>>>> all   
   >>>>> be at one in total agreement, yet one is the final authority, as a   
   >>>>> husband is   
   >>>>> to the man and woman being one as ordained by God. They are one in Christ   
   >>>>> as   
   >>>>> he is in the Heavenly Father.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You can't contain God in physical terms or material terms; if you could,   
   >>>> you would be greater than God.   
   >>>   
   >>> Of course not. Only a fool would declare that he could.   
   >>   
   >> It is not what a man declares in his material world, but what he   
   >> does...in the Spirit.   
   >>   
   >>>> He is One Spirit; Father and Son are God, One and the Same, One Holy   
   >>>> Spirit. God is everywhere and in everything; the Father as we see Him   
   >>>> and the Son as we see Him; both are God. There is only One God.   
   >>>   
   >>> Cam you define nor understand ‘one’ as spoken in the scriptures.   
   >>   
   >> ?   
   >>   
   >>>>>>> Believers become one with Christ and with other believers, not by   
   >>>>>>> merging into the essence of God, but by being brought into intimate   
   >>>>>>> fellowship with Him. This union is relational and covenantal,   
   reflecting   
   >>>>>>> harmony, shared purpose, and participation in God’s life through   
   >>>>>>> Christ.   
   >>>>>>> It fulfills Jesus’ prayer in John 17:21: "that they may all be one,   
   >>>>>>> just   
   >>>>>>> as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, that they also may be in Us."   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> “Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day   
   >>>>> of   
   >>>>> judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.” (1Jn 4:17, KJV)   
   >>>>>   
      
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