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   >>>>> Physically? No. Spiritually? Yes. Is not the Born Again Man born of the   
   >>>>> Heavenly Father?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I stated something the other day which surprised me, and I am yet to   
   >>>> revisit and meditate further on.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> All-knowing on high Rosie wrote:   
   >>>>> In short, believers do not BECOME The Eternally Self-existing GOD   
   >>>> when >  they are made one in Christ.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> And my reply to our rosie Rosie...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Yes, they do. Family is family and is eternal self-existent Oneness in   
   >>>> and of God.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> And this was explained to me by the Holy Spirit...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such   
   >>>> is the love of God."   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You see, it is about the nature and glory of God. He is a "withhold   
   >>>> nothing" God whose love is all inclusive.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all   
   >>>> that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The power of what?   
   >>>   
   >>> The Holy Spirt, who dwells within the Spirit of Born Again Man.   
   >>   
   >> Now, what would you think if I said to you, since a son is immersed (in   
   >> the vine) in God that he is actually the full expression of the Holy   
   >> Spirit since the Lord Jesus is his Lord?   
   >>   
   >> Here you go...   
   >>   
   >> 1Jn_4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in   
   >> the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.   
   >>   
   >> "Family is family and is eternal self-existent Oneness in and of God.   
   >>   
   >> Boldness! How can a sinner have boldness?   
   >>   
   >> He can't.   
   >>   
   >>>> You need to have faith in God and lean not on your own sinner   
   >>>> understanding. You are your own very bad enemy.   
   >>>   
   >>> As I told you before, and recently, I learned that and started practicing   
   >>> that many decades ago, whether you believe me or not.   
   >>   
   >> That was to ChristRosie the sinless sinner christian.   
   >>   
   >> Also, it may be that you don't put it into practice because it is   
   >> inherent and you can't be any other way. Of course a man can think any   
   >> number of ways, but where the rubber meets the road, the bottom line,   
   >> his action is faith (leaning not on one's own understanding). One cannot   
   >> be in God and be your own Lord at any point.   
   >>   
   >>>>> Is not the Spirit of the Most High God dwelling within the heart/spirit   
   of   
   >>>>> man? Yes. Is the heart of the BAM eternal and not of this World? Yes. Are   
   >>>>> we   
   >>>>> not known for before the beginning of this present world? Yes. And the   
   >>>>> ‘coup de gras’ to all this being in the very same scripture that you   
   >>>>> quoted? Yes!   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> John 17:21: "that they may all be one, just as You, Father, are in Me,   
   >>>>> and I   
   >>>>> in You, that they also may be in Us.”   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> IOW, we as the body of Christ ’are one’ just like Jesus and His   
   >>>>> Heavenly   
   >>>>> Father 'are one” and the Body of Christ which includes all of those who   
   >>>>> are   
   >>>>> Born Again, are ‘One. In US’.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> All man, restored to the position of Adam as He was before the flood, and   
   >>>>> as   
   >>>>> he would have been had he partaken of the ’tree of life’ which will   
   be   
   >>>>> upon the Day of Resurrection.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Why do you attempt to belittle the Work of Jesus that He did honoring the   
   >>>>> will of His Heavenly Father, and was sent to the Earth to fulfill it? Is   
   >>>>> not   
   >>>>> Jesus the second Adam?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Anyone, and I do mean anyone that attempts to belittle the word of God is   
   >>>>> not   
   >>>>> listening to Him as there is only one opposing force of God and that is   
   of   
   >>>>> the evil one.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Union with Christ means believers are incorporated into His body (1   
   >>>>>>> Corinthians 12:27) and partake in the blessings of salvation:   
   >>>>>>> justification, sanctification, and glorification (Romans 8:30). Through   
   >>>>>>> this union, believers receive new life in Christ, share in the Spirit,   
   >>>>>>> and live in obedience to God’s will. However, they do not attain   
   God's   
   >>>>>>> attributes such as omnipotence or self-existence.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> No one attains anything of God by themselves or their works. We are made   
   >>>>> via   
   >>>>> the grace and mercy of the Heavenly Father The righteousness of God   
   >>>>> Himself   
   >>>>> when we become BAM. A New Creation. Old things are passed away. Meaning   
   >>>>> the   
   >>>>> Old Man is Dead. Deader than a doornail. We Now HAVE a Divine nature in   
   >>>>> having been made a new creation. A full and driving force with all its   
   >>>>> attributes for all who walk in the spirit.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Those who attempt to revive the old carnal nature are living in their   
   >>>>> carnal   
   >>>>> dead self. Seeking to live in the old, while pretending to live or dwell   
   >>>>> in   
   >>>>> spiritual things. Living in the old dead carnal self and reshaping the   
   >>>>> will   
   >>>>> of God to conform to their old dead self, is to dwell in sin. They   
   attempt   
   >>>>> to   
   >>>>> conform the will of God per their self righteous desires having not   
   >>>>> committed   
   >>>>> themselves to God the Father and now place themselves over that of a   
   >>>>> ’sovereign God’.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Instead, believers experience unity with God in the sense of communion   
   >>>>>>> and shared fellowship. 2 Peter 1:4 explains that believers become   
   >>>>>>> "partakers of the divine nature," not by becoming God but by escaping   
   >>>>>>> the corruption of the world and reflecting God's character. This union   
   >>>>>>> brings transformation into Christlikeness (Romans 8:29) and aligns   
   >>>>>>> believers with God's purposes, but it preserves the Creator-creature   
   >>>>>>> distinction.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> partake | pɑːˈteɪk |   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> verb (past partook | pɑːˈtʊk |; past participle partaken |   
   >>>>> pɑːˈteɪk(ə)n |) [no object]   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> 1 (partake of) formal, or humorous eat or drink (something): he partook   
   >>>>> of a   
   >>>>> well-earned drink | I would be proud to partake of your pecan pie.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> 2 (partake in) formal, or humorous join in (an activity): visitors can   
   >>>>> partake in golfing or clay pigeon shooting.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> 3 (partake of) formal be characterized by (a quality): the birth of twins   
   >>>>> became an event which partook of the mythic.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> origin   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> mid 16th century: back-formation from earlier partaker ‘person who   
   >>>>> takes a   
   >>>>> part’.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> IOW be a full part of. Having partook.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Hence, ‘we are’ the righteousness of God. We were ‘enjoined’.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Those who desire their fleshly ways have not committed themselves to God   
   >>>>> and   
   >>>>> still listen to the evil one as having a point of reason.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Thus, while believers become one with Christ and share fellowship with   
   >>>>>>> God, they remain distinct beings. Their unity with God mirrors   
   >>>>>>> relational oneness rather than ontological unity—the perfect, eternal   
   >>>>>>> unity shared uniquely by the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> “If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he   
   >>>>> that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom   
   he   
   >>>>> hath not seen? And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth   
   >>>>> God   
   >>>>> love his brother also.” (1Jn 4:20-21, KJV)   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> 1 John 2:9(KJV) He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother,   
   >>>>> is   
   >>>>> in darkness even until now.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> In short, believers do not BECOME The Eternally Self-existing GOD when   
   >>>>>>> they are made one in Christ.   
      
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