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   translate.   
      
   • If you had already arrived everywhere, there would be nowhere left to go.   
      
   • If you remembered everything, there would be nothing you could forget.   
      
   • If you held every answer, there would be no questions left to ask.   
      
   There. Was that self-evident enough for you?   
      
      
   >>> Instead of making a ‘god’ out of the Bible,   
      
      
   Instead of making a "god" out of your words, how about I acknowledge the   
   Bible as God's word (2 Timothy 3:15-16)?   
      
      
   >>> why not read it for what its,   
   >>> and for the reasons that it gives, and do as Jesus did, show his disciples   
   >>> the truth of scriptures, and where he was to be found in them.   
      
      
   Which is exactly what I've been saying all along. The Scriptures point   
   to Jesus (John 5:39; Luke 24:27), and they are the vehicle of imparting   
   faith in Jesus (Romans 1:16; 10:17; John 20:30-31; 1 Corinthians   
   15:1-4). You don't come to saving faith in Jesus, apart from God's word.   
      
      
   >> There is so much more to say but I have already said, many times, enough   
   >> for you to grasp and understand if you were willing.   
   >>   
   >> You are not interacting with me as you see me, Robert, you are   
   >> interacting with the Lord.   
      
      
   It depends on how you mean that. Matthew 25:40 shows that Jesus takes it   
   personally how others treat His people. In helping or not helping Jesus'   
   people, they are doing it to Jesus. But this is not to be confused with   
   the idea that whatever you happen to do or say is equivalent to   
   interacting with the Lord Himself.   
      
      
   > Sorry Bubba, but I have direct access to the Lord. The things I have been   
   > speaking of here, He showed me as well as gave me the understandings of it.   
   > That is not to say that the Lord does not speak to others via his servants,   
   > for he does. In those cases it is obvious for the Spirit of the Father bears   
   > witness within ones heart which the scriptures also says and bears witness   
   > to.   
      
      
   There are a number of instances above, where you both modified (changed   
   "one" to "as one"), and contradicted what Scripture says (the idea there   
   are three eternally self-existent "Gods", who are united only in   
   relationship, not divine essence). In that you clearly contradict what   
   the Bible teaches. There is only a single, solitary being who is God.   
      
      
   >> That is what Paul was saying when he said, "Be followers of me.”   
   >   
   > The rest of that verse says “even as I also of Christ” IOW Follow or   
   > imitate Christ.   
      
   [...]   
      
   >> Paul was merely a vessel; all the glory is the Lord's.   
      
   Correct.   
      
   > I am aware of how God speaks and how he confirms His words.   
   > Many a cult leader speaks exactly as you have spoken, with many dying as a   
   > direct result of that.   
      
      
   > Paul would never mock God by making fun of the gift of   
   > tongues.   
      
      
   Paul would never mock God by faking tongues like Charismatics do.   
      
      
   > Nor would he use any foul language. By His fruits we knew him and by   
   > your fruits you likewise are known.   
      
      
   Yet you have no problem opposing and trying to poison people's minds   
   against accurate proclamations of the gospel in here, if someone other   
   than you is making them. Filthy communication is a manifestation of our   
   sin nature, but so is bitter envy that opposes those who promote the   
   truth, out of demonically inspired envy (James 3:14-15;   
   https://christrose.news/demonic-wisdom).   
      
      
   >>>> The Lord Jesus Christ was always and is always perfect; only God is the   
   >>>> source of perfection.   
   >>>   
   >>> Yet the words Jesus spoke were the words of His Father, he stated clearly   
   >>> that these were not His own personal words. Yes, Jesus was sinless. From   
   >>> birth and throughout his life. At his death he became ’sin’ for us.   
   >> If you mean He turned dirty then you have said a very bad thing. For   
   >> one, He is always was, is, and will be forever what He has always been.   
   >> Or to say it another way, a spotless lamb doesn't become spotted when it   
   >> is being slaughtered for the sins of slaughters.   
      
      
   "If".   
      
      
   >>> Him   
   >>> who knew no sin, in order to pay the price, the ransom price for all who   
   >>> will believe.   
   >>>   
   >>> “For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be   
   >>> made the righteousness of God in him.” (2Co 5:21, KJV)   
   >>   
   >> It means He was was "made" to be sin for us, not that he was made sin.   
   >> If I say to the judge, I will take the death penalty for that man's   
   >> murder, that does not make my personhood a murderer. Yes, I pay the   
   >> price for the sin, but that does not make me a murderer!   
   >   
   > Actually the words “to be” was not part of that scripture, it was   
   > infected for clarities sake. It really said "He was made sin for us."   
   >>   
   >> You said yourself, "Jesus was sinless." He was, is, and always will be.   
   >   
   > The scripture said “who knew no sin” His Father made him sin IOW placed   
   > all the sins of mankind upon Him for which Jesus paid the price for all of   
   > us. Jesus knew full well what was going to happen as he made clear in the   
   > garden of Gethsemane when He asked his Father, if it be possible, take this   
   > cup away from me. He knew of the intense misery that he was about to bear.   
   > Yes. He was without sin, because of the life he lived. He lived as man,   
   > subject to all the temptations of men, yet he fulfilled all the Law, and was   
   > sinless. As unspotted as a sacrificial lamb. For that reason hell could not   
   > contain him. And YES the sin he bore took him to the deepest part of hell.   
      
      
   Christ fully paid our sin debt by dying in our place ("it is finished"),   
   not by suffering in Gehenna. However (in case James has to be   
   listening), this does not mean that a person can simply die physically   
   to atone for his sins. A human death is of finite value. Our sins are   
   against an infinite God. Eternal torment in the lake of fire is the   
   destiny of those who reject Christ's propitiating atonement for their sins.   
      
   As McGee notes   
      
   "Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into   
   the lower parts of the earth?" (Eph 4:9, KJV)   
      
   The logical explanation of these verses is that since Christ ascended,   
   He must have of necessity descended at some previous period. Some see   
   only the Incarnation in this. The early church fathers saw in it the   
   work of Christ in bringing the Old Testament saints out of paradise up   
   to the throne of God. We are told that He descended into hell. It is not   
   necessary, however, to assume that He entered into some form of   
   suffering after His death. His incarnation and death were His   
   humiliation and descent, and they were adequate to bring the redeemed of   
   the Old Testament into the presence of God. That would explain His   
   fullness here. “He that descended is the same also that ascended up far   
   above all heavens, that he might fill all things.” I recognize, however,   
   that there are other interpretations (McGee Ephesians 4:9).   
      
      
   > But then all these things you should know and be aware of before I even   
   > brought them to you from the scriptures. Eh?   
   >   
   >>   
   >>> Think about it, throughout the history of Man a Lamb was sacrificed for   
   sin.   
   >>> Not just any lamb, but one that was perfect and without a flaw. The prime   
   of   
   >>> the prime.   
   >>   
   >> And His character, His being did not change.   
   >   
   > He died as man does, not God.   
   >>   
   >>> Jesus was the “lamb of God that taketh away all the sin”   
   >>   
   >> Amen. Spotless, pure, holy, and not act of man ever made Him otherwise.   
   >>   
   >>> “The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the   
   Lamb   
   >>> of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.” (Jhn 1:29, KJV)   
   >>   
      
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