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   >> How did He do that?   
   >>   
   >>> Why are you beholden to the doctrine of the trinity as propagated by the   
   >>> RCC?   
   >>   
   >> Don't go off the reservation, Robert, if you do, it'll end the discussion.   
   >   
   > Fine then I will stop it here. the Bible does not teach the trinity. Never   
   > did. It is a doctrine of men.   
      
      
   The Bible doesn't say the word "trinity". It does in fact teach that   
   there is only one God Being, but that three distinct persons are God.   
   They are one not in the mere sense of relational unity, but in divine   
   essence. There are not three God Beings who are simply united by   
   relationship or purpose. They are a single, solitary God Being--your   
   inability to comprehend that not withstanding.   
      
      
   >>>>> How can one person be three different persons? Are they a shape shifter?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> One Spirit. Remember, post the fall the only reason we got a Son of God   
   >>>> in the flesh is because God had to place separation in Himself (make a   
   >>>> way) in order to bring His children back to and into Him.   
   >>>   
   >>> Jesus was not born without a spirit. Man was created with a body soul and   
   >>> spirit. We all propagated after our own kind. Which we were created to do   
   >>> and   
   >>> be. We are to worship God the Father and pray to Him. Not to Jesus. (Which   
   >>> is   
   >>> hard to do solely, as Jesus Christ was our redeemer.) Yet we are commanded   
   >>> to   
   >>> do so, and Jesus gave us the reasoning behind that in the scripture.   
   >>   
   >> There is no problem if you believe in One God.   
   >>   
   >> I always pray to the Lord because...that is the way God chose to   
   >> identify and identifies with us; God with us. Thomas didn't have a   
   >> problem being in obeisance to the Lord Jesus because He SAW God before   
   >> Him, the One God. It is not about material terms, but spiritual reality.   
      
   Yes. There is only a solitary Being who is God. Yet there are three   
   distinct persons (Father, Son, and Spirit). The Father is not the Son or   
   Holy Spirit. The Son (although He owns the title of Everlasting Father   
   which is a title of authority for the king) is not the Father or Spirit.   
   The Spirit is not the Father or Son. All three, however, are God   
   individually. Yet there is only one God Being. Whether that makes sense   
   to a finite creature does not determine whether or not it is true.   
      
      
   >> But if you want to see with the eyes of facts and bible doctrine   
   >> (ChristRose modus operandi) you won't be able to see with the eyes of   
   >> faith, which incidentally, is the only way to see God.   
      
      
   Lies. If you think we get a more accurate understanding of God from what   
   you say about God than what God's word says about God, you are a liar   
   and deceiver.   
      
      
      
   >>> Mankind is not the children of God, for they follow another.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Three can be a Godhead, a corporate entity in todays terms, and they can   
   >>>>> all   
   >>>>> be at one in total agreement, yet one is the final authority, as a   
   >>>>> husband is   
   >>>>> to the man and woman being one as ordained by God. They are one in Christ   
   >>>>> as   
   >>>>> he is in the Heavenly Father.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You can't contain God in physical terms or material terms; if you could,   
   >>>> you would be greater than God.   
   >>>   
   >>> Of course not. Only a fool would declare that he could.   
   >>   
   >> It is not what a man declares in his material world, but what he   
   >> does...in the Spirit.   
   >>   
   >>>> He is One Spirit; Father and Son are God, One and the Same, One Holy   
   >>>> Spirit. God is everywhere and in everything; the Father as we see Him   
   >>>> and the Son as we see Him; both are God. There is only One God.   
   >>>   
   >>> Cam you define nor understand ‘one’ as spoken in the scriptures.   
   >>   
   >> ?   
      
      
   Robert idiotically and idolatrously promotes the idea that three God   
   Beings exist, and are simply united in a relationship. There is only one   
   God Being and essence, not two or three. Robert promotes ignorance and   
   idolatry.   
      
      
   >>>>>>> Believers become one with Christ and with other believers, not by   
   >>>>>>> merging into the essence of God, but by being brought into intimate   
   >>>>>>> fellowship with Him. This union is relational and covenantal,   
   reflecting   
   >>>>>>> harmony, shared purpose, and participation in God’s life through   
   >>>>>>> Christ.   
   >>>>>>> It fulfills Jesus’ prayer in John 17:21: "that they may all be one,   
   >>>>>>> just   
   >>>>>>> as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, that they also may be in Us."   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> “Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day   
   >>>>> of   
   >>>>> judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.” (1Jn 4:17, KJV)   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Physically? No. Spiritually? Yes. Is not the Born Again Man born of the   
   >>>>> Heavenly Father?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I stated something the other day which surprised me, and I am yet to   
   >>>> revisit and meditate further on.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> All-knowing on high Rosie wrote:   
   >>>>> In short, believers do not BECOME The Eternally Self-existing GOD   
   >>>> when >  they are made one in Christ.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> And my reply to our rosie Rosie...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Yes, they do. Family is family and is eternal self-existent Oneness in   
   >>>> and of God.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> And this was explained to me by the Holy Spirit...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such   
   >>>> is the love of God."   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You see, it is about the nature and glory of God. He is a "withhold   
   >>>> nothing" God whose love is all inclusive.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all   
   >>>> that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The power of what?   
   >>>   
   >>> The Holy Spirt, who dwells within the Spirit of Born Again Man.   
   >>   
   >> Now, what would you think if I said to you, since a son is immersed (in   
   >> the vine) in God that he is actually the full expression of the Holy   
   >> Spirit since the Lord Jesus is his Lord?   
      
      
   I'd say you're approaching Chung-hood. You suffer from the delusion that   
   every idea that pops into your head is the Holy Spirit Himself speaking.   
   Then you turn around and try to kill people's faith in God's actual   
   word, calling it idolatry to base your faith on what God Himself said,   
   because it interferes with the delusion that your words are God's words.   
      
      
      
   >> Here you go...   
   >>   
   >> 1Jn_4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in   
   >> the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.   
   >>   
   >> "Family is family and is eternal self-existent Oneness in and of God.   
   >>   
   >> Boldness! How can a sinner have boldness?   
   >>   
   >> He can't.   
      
      
   Liar. He can have boldness by confessing His sin and being forgiven and   
   cleansed of it (1 John 1:8-2:2).   
      
      
   >>>> You need to have faith in God and lean not on your own sinner   
   >>>> understanding. You are your own very bad enemy.   
   >>>   
   >>> As I told you before, and recently, I learned that and started practicing   
   >>> that many decades ago, whether you believe me or not.   
   >>   
   >> That was to ChristRosie the sinless sinner christian.   
   >>   
   >> Also, it may be that you don't put it into practice because it is   
   >> inherent and you can't be any other way. Of course a man can think any   
   >> number of ways, but where the rubber meets the road, the bottom line,   
   >> his action is faith (leaning not on one's own understanding).   
      
      
   His action is evidence and validation of his faith. Faith comes by   
   hearing, and hearing by the word of God (Romans 1:16; 10:17; John   
   20:30-31; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4). So you get faith from God's word. You   
   evidence faith by what you do.   
      
      
      
   >> One cannot   
   >> be in God and be your own Lord at any point.   
      
      
      
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