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   > relationships.   
   >   
   > • You've tried to claim to the effect that God promised you all   
   > knowledge about Himself, when it actually says knowledge about the   
   > "things" that God freely gives us to understand.   
   >   
   > • Most idolatrously, you appear to flat out claim there is not only a   
   > single God Being, but three God Beings who are simply relationallly   
   > united. That's your reasoning, not what the Bible teaches.   
   >   
   >   
   >> And to cover what you missed here, there was dry land between the two,   
   >> thus separating the waters. The barrier was in place as real and fixed   
   >> as if   
   >> their was a mountain separating the two waters.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>> Why then did Jesus, after he was resurrected tell Mary I go to see   
   >>>> My God   
   >>>> and Your God?   
   >>>   
   >>> You are too caught up in the materialism, in the idea you can contain   
   >>> God in your mind.   
   >   
   >   
   > That statement is correct.   
   >   
   >   
   >> Not at all.   
   >   
   >   
   > Yes, entirely.   
   >   
   >> You are trying to rationalize with your mind, things that are   
   >> spiritual, and then have confusion because you are unfamiliar with the   
   >> things   
   >> of the spirit, which all men are are limited because we see through a   
   >> glass   
   >> darkly.   
   >   
   >   
   > No. It's you in this case. See above.   
   >   
   >   
   >> “Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my   
   >> Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my   
   >> Father,   
   >> and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” (Jhn 20:17, KJV)   
   >>   
   >> That scripture is as true now as the last time it was pointed out to you.   
   >   
   >   
   > Yes. And it doesn't teach what you're claiming. It appears you believe   
   > in three God Beings who are simply relationally united like a husband   
   > and wife. The Bible says there is only one God Being, and none beside   
   > Him. There are not three God Beings. Only one.   
   >   
   >   
   >>> The Red Sea was simply coming back together.   
   >>   
   >> It was rejoined and in doing so it judged the Egyptians.   
   >> Like Jesus, it was the path, the way, Through which Salvation to the   
   >> Israelites was provided, yet many which were saved returned to their   
   >> old ways   
   >> and so they died, never receiving the Promised Land. Jesus is also the   
   >> one   
   >> who judges all men. As those people fell, that were saved Via doubt and   
   >> disbelief, so it is with many in the church today, and for that reason   
   >> Jesus   
   >> said, ...   
   >>   
   >> Luk 21:34 (KJV) And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your   
   >> hearts be   
   >> overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and   
   >> sothat day come upon you unawares.   
   >>   
   >> Luk 21:35 (KJV) For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on   
   >> the   
   >> face of the whole earth.   
   >>   
   >> Luk 21:36 (KJV) Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be   
   >> accounted   
   >> worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand   
   >> before the Son of man.   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>>> Who was the ‘US’, in “let us make man in ‘our’ image?   
   >>>   
   >>> One God.   
   >   
   > Correct.   
   >   
   >>> You are trying to capture God in material terms; you can't, it   
   >>> is impossible because He is more than material terms. Why do you need   
   >>> the scriptures to mean what you want them to mean to walk with God?   
   >   
   >   
   > In this case, that is correct.   
   >   
   >   
   >> Gen 1:26 (KJV) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our   
   >> likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and   
   >> over the   
   >> fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over   
   >> every   
   >> creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.   
   >>   
   >> Notice the “ in and our ” statements that Jesus made. Not man, Did God   
   >> really not mean to say that? Is that what you are suggesting?   
   >   
   >   
   > Three persons, one Being. Not three God Beings who are but relationally   
   > united.   
   >   
   >   
   >> Perhaps this is a good time to again say, what does the word God mean,   
   >> how   
   >> many meanings are there to the word. And when does it mean Master,   
   >> Elohim,   
   >> YHWH, Satan, a JUDGE, At one time Elohim was used loosely in a generic   
   >> sense   
   >> by man who worshipped what they called gods and called them Elohim.   
   >> This is a   
   >> topic you should study.   
   >   
   >   
   > There are things about God which we only know of from the Old Testament   
   > to be sure. But the New Testament gives us the fuller picture and the   
   > more detailed information on God's nature. Any time someone flees from   
   > New Testament Revelation to Old Testament revelation to make a case   
   > about God which He cannot make from the more progressive revelation of   
   > the New Testament, it is a red flag pointing to error. The fact you're   
   > trying to make your case from the Old Testament, rather than the light   
   > of the New Testament, is a sign that you're trying to read your own   
   > theology about God into the Bible, contrary to what the New Testament says.   
   >   
   >   
   >>> Was there two Gods in the garden with Adam and Eve?   
   >>   
   >> There was the God of this earth, Who walked with them, and there was   
   >> also the   
   >> Heavenly Father, the “Ancient One” as written in the OT. But it was only   
   >> Jesus who walked with them.   
   >   
   > [...]   
   >   
   >   
   >>>> Is it necessary that the Holy Spirit repeat all that resides in   
   >>>> Scripture to   
   >>>> your in order for you to believe them?   
   >>>   
   >>> Perhaps you don't, as yet, have the understanding the Lord would have   
   >>> you have?   
   >>   
   >> If you knew all things then there would be nothing new to reveal to you.   
   >   
   >   
   > • If you could see everything, there would be nothing left to show you.   
   >   
   > • If you understood every language, there would be nothing you couldn’t   
   > translate.   
   >   
   > • If you had already arrived everywhere, there would be nowhere left to go.   
   >   
   > • If you remembered everything, there would be nothing you could forget.   
   >   
   > • If you held every answer, there would be no questions left to ask.   
   >   
   > There. Was that self-evident enough for you?   
   >   
   >   
   >>>> Instead of making a ‘god’ out of the Bible,   
   >   
   >   
   > Instead of making a "god" out of your words, how about I acknowledge the   
   > Bible as God's word (2 Timothy 3:15-16)?   
   >   
   >   
   >>>> why not read it for what its,   
   >>>> and for the reasons that it gives, and do as Jesus did, show his   
   >>>> disciples   
   >>>> the truth of scriptures, and where he was to be found in them.   
   >   
   >   
   > Which is exactly what I've been saying all along. The Scriptures point   
   > to Jesus (John 5:39; Luke 24:27), and they are the vehicle of imparting   
   > faith in Jesus (Romans 1:16; 10:17; John 20:30-31; 1 Corinthians   
   > 15:1-4). You don't come to saving faith in Jesus, apart from God's word.   
   >   
   >   
   >>> There is so much more to say but I have already said, many times, enough   
   >>> for you to grasp and understand if you were willing.   
   >>>   
   >>> You are not interacting with me as you see me, Robert, you are   
   >>> interacting with the Lord.   
   >   
   >   
   > It depends on how you mean that. Matthew 25:40 shows that Jesus takes it   
   > personally how others treat His people. In helping or not helping Jesus'   
   > people, they are doing it to Jesus. But this is not to be confused with   
   > the idea that whatever you happen to do or say is equivalent to   
   > interacting with the Lord Himself.   
   >   
   >   
   >> Sorry Bubba, but I have direct access to the Lord. The things I have been   
   >> speaking of here, He showed me as well as gave me the understandings   
   >> of it.   
   >> That is not to say that the Lord does not speak to others via his   
   >> servants,   
   >> for he does. In those cases it is obvious for the Spirit of the Father   
   >> bears   
   >> witness within ones heart which the scriptures also says and bears   
   >> witness   
   >> to.   
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