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   >>> identify and identifies with us; God with us. Thomas didn't have a   
   >>> problem being in obeisance to the Lord Jesus because He SAW God before   
   >>> Him, the One God. It is not about material terms, but spiritual reality.   
   >   
   > Yes. There is only a solitary Being who is God. Yet there are three   
   > distinct persons (Father, Son, and Spirit). The Father is not the Son or   
   > Holy Spirit. The Son (although He owns the title of Everlasting Father   
   > which is a title of authority for the king) is not the Father or Spirit.   
   > The Spirit is not the Father or Son. All three, however, are God   
   > individually. Yet there is only one God Being. Whether that makes sense   
   > to a finite creature does not determine whether or not it is true.   
   >   
   >   
   >>> But if you want to see with the eyes of facts and bible doctrine   
   >>> (ChristRose modus operandi) you won't be able to see with the eyes of   
   >>> faith, which incidentally, is the only way to see God.   
   >   
   >   
   > Lies. If you think we get a more accurate understanding of God from what   
   > you say about God than what God's word says about God, you are a liar   
   > and deceiver.   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   >>>> Mankind is not the children of God, for they follow another.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> Three can be a Godhead, a corporate entity in todays terms, and   
   >>>>>> they can   
   >>>>>> all   
   >>>>>> be at one in total agreement, yet one is the final authority, as a   
   >>>>>> husband is   
   >>>>>> to the man and woman being one as ordained by God. They are one in   
   >>>>>> Christ   
   >>>>>> as   
   >>>>>> he is in the Heavenly Father.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> You can't contain God in physical terms or material terms; if you   
   >>>>> could,   
   >>>>> you would be greater than God.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Of course not. Only a fool would declare that he could.   
   >>>   
   >>> It is not what a man declares in his material world, but what he   
   >>> does...in the Spirit.   
   >>>   
   >>>>> He is One Spirit; Father and Son are God, One and the Same, One Holy   
   >>>>> Spirit. God is everywhere and in everything; the Father as we see Him   
   >>>>> and the Son as we see Him; both are God. There is only One God.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Cam you define nor understand ‘one’ as spoken in the scriptures.   
   >>>   
   >>> ?   
   >   
   >   
   > Robert idiotically and idolatrously promotes the idea that three God   
   > Beings exist, and are simply united in a relationship. There is only one   
   > God Being and essence, not two or three. Robert promotes ignorance and   
   > idolatry.   
   >   
   >   
   >>>>>>>> Believers become one with Christ and with other believers, not by   
   >>>>>>>> merging into the essence of God, but by being brought into intimate   
   >>>>>>>> fellowship with Him. This union is relational and covenantal,   
   >>>>>>>> reflecting   
   >>>>>>>> harmony, shared purpose, and participation in God’s life through   
   >>>>>>>> Christ.   
   >>>>>>>> It fulfills Jesus’ prayer in John 17:21: "that they may all be one,   
   >>>>>>>> just   
   >>>>>>>> as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, that they also may be   
   >>>>>>>> in Us."   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> “Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the   
   >>>>>> day   
   >>>>>> of   
   >>>>>> judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.” (1Jn 4:17, KJV)   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Physically? No. Spiritually? Yes. Is not the Born Again Man born   
   >>>>>> of the   
   >>>>>> Heavenly Father?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I stated something the other day which surprised me, and I am yet to   
   >>>>> revisit and meditate further on.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> All-knowing on high Rosie wrote:   
   >>>>>> In short, believers do not BECOME The Eternally Self-existing GOD   
   >>>>> when >  they are made one in Christ.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> And my reply to our rosie Rosie...   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Yes, they do. Family is family and is eternal self-existent Oneness in   
   >>>>> and of God.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> And this was explained to me by the Holy Spirit...   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> "No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven.   
   >>>>> Such   
   >>>>> is the love of God."   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> You see, it is about the nature and glory of God. He is a "withhold   
   >>>>> nothing" God whose love is all inclusive.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above   
   >>>>> all   
   >>>>> that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> The power of what?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The Holy Spirt, who dwells within the Spirit of Born Again Man.   
   >>>   
   >>> Now, what would you think if I said to you, since a son is immersed (in   
   >>> the vine) in God that he is actually the full expression of the Holy   
   >>> Spirit since the Lord Jesus is his Lord?   
   >   
   >   
   > I'd say you're approaching Chung-hood. You suffer from the delusion that   
   > every idea that pops into your head is the Holy Spirit Himself speaking.   
   > Then you turn around and try to kill people's faith in God's actual   
   > word, calling it idolatry to base your faith on what God Himself said,   
   > because it interferes with the delusion that your words are God's words.   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   >>> Here you go...   
   >>>   
   >>> 1Jn_4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in   
   >>> the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.   
   >>>   
   >>> "Family is family and is eternal self-existent Oneness in and of God.   
   >>>   
   >>> Boldness! How can a sinner have boldness?   
   >>>   
   >>> He can't.   
   >   
   >   
   > Liar. He can have boldness by confessing His sin and being forgiven and   
   > cleansed of it (1 John 1:8-2:2).   
   >   
   >   
   >>>>> You need to have faith in God and lean not on your own sinner   
   >>>>> understanding. You are your own very bad enemy.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> As I told you before, and recently, I learned that and started   
   >>>> practicing   
   >>>> that many decades ago, whether you believe me or not.   
   >>>   
   >>> That was to ChristRosie the sinless sinner christian.   
   >>>   
   >>> Also, it may be that you don't put it into practice because it is   
   >>> inherent and you can't be any other way. Of course a man can think any   
   >>> number of ways, but where the rubber meets the road, the bottom line,   
   >>> his action is faith (leaning not on one's own understanding).   
   >   
   >   
   > His action is evidence and validation of his faith. Faith comes by   
   > hearing, and hearing by the word of God (Romans 1:16; 10:17; John   
   > 20:30-31; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4). So you get faith from God's word. You   
   > evidence faith by what you do.   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   >>> One cannot   
   >>> be in God and be your own Lord at any point.   
   >   
   >   
   > Then stop denying that you retain a sin nature and should confess your   
   > sins to God every day   
   >   
   > “Pray then like this: “Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your   
   > kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us   
   > this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have   
   > forgiven our debtors.” (Matthew 6:9–12, ESV)   
   >   
   > “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in   
   > us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our   
   > sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not   
   > sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.” (1 John 1:8–10,   
   > ESV)   
   >   
   >   
   > [...]   
   >   
   > ------------------   
   > Source   
   >   
   > McGee, J.V. (1991) Thru the Bible commentary: Ephesians. electronic ed.   
   > Nashville: Thomas Nelson.   
   >   
      
      
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   God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.   
      
   Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John   
   10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the   
   everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.   
      
   Colossians 2:9  For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.   
      
   Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were   
      
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