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   >> Now you admit you're talking about the relationship of the three   
   >> persons, not the essence or Being. You're trying to confuse   
   >> relationship with essence.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>> yet the Husband is the one in authority or   
   >>> the ‘head’ of the family. And Yes, this is established by God. It is   
   >>> indeed His understanding and specified as such.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> This is relational unity, not unity of Being. The Father, Son, and   
   >> Spirit have relational unity, but they also have singularity of   
   >> essence. There is only one single, solitary Being in existence, who is   
   >> God. There are not three relationally united God Beings. You promote   
   >> idolatry.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>> They are One Spirit, One Lord, and One God, but God placed   
   >>>> separation in   
   >>>> Himself to allow us to become One with Him. Think of the Red Sea   
   >>>> parting, One Sea, but God opened the way for the Israelites, but at no   
   >>>> point did it ever change from being One Red Sea.   
   >>>   
   >>> That is what you call human understanding, for which you criticize me   
   >>> if I do   
   >>> so.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Notice how quickly and easily you recognize human understanding when   
   >> someone else uses it, but you are completely blind to your own human   
   >> understanding and reasoning in this matter.   
   >>   
   >> • You've said "as One", when the Bible says "one". That's your   
   >> reasoning and understanding, not what Scripture reveals.   
   >>   
   >> • You've tried to limit God's Being to what you understand about human   
   >> relationships.   
   >>   
   >> • You've tried to claim to the effect that God promised you all   
   >> knowledge about Himself, when it actually says knowledge about the   
   >> "things" that God freely gives us to understand.   
   >>   
   >> • Most idolatrously, you appear to flat out claim there is not only a   
   >> single God Being, but three God Beings who are simply relationallly   
   >> united. That's your reasoning, not what the Bible teaches.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>> And to cover what you missed here, there was dry land between the two,   
   >>> thus separating the waters. The barrier was in place as real and   
   >>> fixed as if   
   >>> their was a mountain separating the two waters.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Why then did Jesus, after he was resurrected tell Mary I go to see   
   >>>>> My God   
   >>>>> and Your God?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You are too caught up in the materialism, in the idea you can contain   
   >>>> God in your mind.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> That statement is correct.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>> Not at all.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Yes, entirely.   
   >>   
   >>> You are trying to rationalize with your mind, things that are   
   >>> spiritual, and then have confusion because you are unfamiliar with   
   >>> the things   
   >>> of the spirit, which all men are are limited because we see through a   
   >>> glass   
   >>> darkly.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> No. It's you in this case. See above.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>> “Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my   
   >>> Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my   
   >>> Father,   
   >>> and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” (Jhn 20:17, KJV)   
   >>>   
   >>> That scripture is as true now as the last time it was pointed out to   
   >>> you.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Yes. And it doesn't teach what you're claiming. It appears you believe   
   >> in three God Beings who are simply relationally united like a husband   
   >> and wife. The Bible says there is only one God Being, and none beside   
   >> Him. There are not three God Beings. Only one.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>> The Red Sea was simply coming back together.   
   >>>   
   >>> It was rejoined and in doing so it judged the Egyptians.   
   >>> Like Jesus, it was the path, the way, Through which Salvation to the   
   >>> Israelites was provided, yet many which were saved returned to their   
   >>> old ways   
   >>> and so they died, never receiving the Promised Land. Jesus is also   
   >>> the one   
   >>> who judges all men. As those people fell, that were saved Via doubt and   
   >>> disbelief, so it is with many in the church today, and for that   
   >>> reason Jesus   
   >>> said, ...   
   >>>   
   >>> Luk 21:34 (KJV) And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your   
   >>> hearts be   
   >>> overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life,   
   >>> and   
   >>> sothat day come upon you unawares.   
   >>>   
   >>> Luk 21:35 (KJV) For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell   
   >>> on the   
   >>> face of the whole earth.   
   >>>   
   >>> Luk 21:36 (KJV) Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be   
   >>> accounted   
   >>> worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand   
   >>> before the Son of man.   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Who was the ‘US’, in “let us make man in ‘our’ image?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> One God.   
   >>   
   >> Correct.   
   >>   
   >>>> You are trying to capture God in material terms; you can't, it   
   >>>> is impossible because He is more than material terms. Why do you need   
   >>>> the scriptures to mean what you want them to mean to walk with God?   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> In this case, that is correct.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>> Gen 1:26 (KJV) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our   
   >>> likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and   
   >>> over the   
   >>> fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and   
   >>> over every   
   >>> creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.   
   >>>   
   >>> Notice the “ in and our ” statements that Jesus made. Not man, Did God   
   >>> really not mean to say that? Is that what you are suggesting?   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Three persons, one Being. Not three God Beings who are but   
   >> relationally united.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>> Perhaps this is a good time to again say, what does the word God   
   >>> mean, how   
   >>> many meanings are there to the word. And when does it mean Master,   
   >>> Elohim,   
   >>> YHWH, Satan, a JUDGE, At one time Elohim was used loosely in a   
   >>> generic sense   
   >>> by man who worshipped what they called gods and called them Elohim.   
   >>> This is a   
   >>> topic you should study.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> There are things about God which we only know of from the Old   
   >> Testament to be sure. But the New Testament gives us the fuller   
   >> picture and the more detailed information on God's nature. Any time   
   >> someone flees from New Testament Revelation to Old Testament   
   >> revelation to make a case about God which He cannot make from the more   
   >> progressive revelation of the New Testament, it is a red flag pointing   
   >> to error. The fact you're trying to make your case from the Old   
   >> Testament, rather than the light of the New Testament, is a sign that   
   >> you're trying to read your own theology about God into the Bible,   
   >> contrary to what the New Testament says.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>> Was there two Gods in the garden with Adam and Eve?   
   >>>   
   >>> There was the God of this earth, Who walked with them, and there was   
   >>> also the   
   >>> Heavenly Father, the “Ancient One” as written in the OT. But it was   
   only   
   >>> Jesus who walked with them.   
   >>   
   >> [...]   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>>> Is it necessary that the Holy Spirit repeat all that resides in   
   >>>>> Scripture to   
   >>>>> your in order for you to believe them?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Perhaps you don't, as yet, have the understanding the Lord would have   
   >>>> you have?   
   >>>   
   >>> If you knew all things then there would be nothing new to reveal to you.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> • If you could see everything, there would be nothing left to show you.   
   >>   
   >> • If you understood every language, there would be nothing you   
   >> couldn’t translate.   
   >>   
   >> • If you had already arrived everywhere, there would be nowhere left   
   >> to go.   
   >>   
   >> • If you remembered everything, there would be nothing you could forget.   
   >>   
   >> • If you held every answer, there would be no questions left to ask.   
   >>   
   >> There. Was that self-evident enough for you?   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>>> Instead of making a ‘god’ out of the Bible,   
   >>   
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