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   >> Instead of making a "god" out of your words, how about I acknowledge   
   >> the Bible as God's word (2 Timothy 3:15-16)?   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>>> why not read it for what its,   
   >>>>> and for the reasons that it gives, and do as Jesus did, show his   
   >>>>> disciples   
   >>>>> the truth of scriptures, and where he was to be found in them.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Which is exactly what I've been saying all along. The Scriptures point   
   >> to Jesus (John 5:39; Luke 24:27), and they are the vehicle of   
   >> imparting faith in Jesus (Romans 1:16; 10:17; John 20:30-31; 1   
   >> Corinthians 15:1-4). You don't come to saving faith in Jesus, apart   
   >> from God's word.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>> There is so much more to say but I have already said, many times,   
   >>>> enough   
   >>>> for you to grasp and understand if you were willing.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You are not interacting with me as you see me, Robert, you are   
   >>>> interacting with the Lord.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> It depends on how you mean that. Matthew 25:40 shows that Jesus takes   
   >> it personally how others treat His people. In helping or not helping   
   >> Jesus' people, they are doing it to Jesus. But this is not to be   
   >> confused with the idea that whatever you happen to do or say is   
   >> equivalent to interacting with the Lord Himself.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>> Sorry Bubba, but I have direct access to the Lord. The things I have   
   >>> been   
   >>> speaking of here, He showed me as well as gave me the understandings   
   >>> of it.   
   >>> That is not to say that the Lord does not speak to others via his   
   >>> servants,   
   >>> for he does. In those cases it is obvious for the Spirit of the   
   >>> Father bears   
   >>> witness within ones heart which the scriptures also says and bears   
   >>> witness   
   >>> to.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> There are a number of instances above, where you both modified   
   >> (changed "one" to "as one"), and contradicted what Scripture says (the   
   >> idea there are three eternally self-existent "Gods", who are united   
   >> only in relationship, not divine essence). In that you clearly   
   >> contradict what the Bible teaches. There is only a single, solitary   
   >> being who is God.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>> That is what Paul was saying when he said, "Be followers of me.”   
   >>>   
   >>> The rest of that verse says “even as I also of Christ” IOW Follow or   
   >>> imitate Christ.   
   >>   
   >> [...]   
   >>   
   >>>> Paul was merely a vessel; all the glory is the Lord's.   
   >>   
   >> Correct.   
   >>   
   >>> I am aware of how God speaks and how he confirms His words.   
   >>> Many a cult leader speaks exactly as you have spoken, with many dying   
   >>> as a   
   >>> direct result of that.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>> Paul would never mock God by making fun of the gift of   
   >>> tongues.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Paul would never mock God by faking tongues like Charismatics do.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>> Nor would he use any foul language. By His fruits we knew him and by   
   >>> your fruits you likewise are known.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Yet you have no problem opposing and trying to poison people's minds   
   >> against accurate proclamations of the gospel in here, if someone other   
   >> than you is making them. Filthy communication is a manifestation of   
   >> our sin nature, but so is bitter envy that opposes those who promote   
   >> the truth, out of demonically inspired envy (James 3:14-15; https://   
   >> christrose.news/demonic-wisdom).   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>>>> The Lord Jesus Christ was always and is always perfect; only God   
   >>>>>> is the   
   >>>>>> source of perfection.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Yet the words Jesus spoke were the words of His Father, he stated   
   >>>>> clearly   
   >>>>> that these were not His own personal words. Yes, Jesus was sinless.   
   >>>>> From   
   >>>>> birth and throughout his life. At his death he became ’sin’ for us.   
   >>>> If you mean He turned dirty then you have said a very bad thing. For   
   >>>> one, He is always was, is, and will be forever what He has always been.   
   >>>> Or to say it another way, a spotless lamb doesn't become spotted   
   >>>> when it   
   >>>> is being slaughtered for the sins of slaughters.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> "If".   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>>> Him   
   >>>>> who knew no sin, in order to pay the price, the ransom price for   
   >>>>> all who   
   >>>>> will believe.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> “For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we   
   >>>>> might be   
   >>>>> made the righteousness of God in him.” (2Co 5:21, KJV)   
   >>>>   
   >>>> It means He was was "made" to be sin for us, not that he was made sin.   
   >>>> If I say to the judge, I will take the death penalty for that man's   
   >>>> murder, that does not make my personhood a murderer. Yes, I pay the   
   >>>> price for the sin, but that does not make me a murderer!   
   >>>   
   >>> Actually the words “to be” was not part of that scripture, it was   
   >>> infected for clarities sake. It really said "He was made sin for us."   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You said yourself, "Jesus was sinless." He was, is, and always will be.   
   >>>   
   >>> The scripture said “who knew no sin” His Father made him sin IOW placed   
   >>> all the sins of mankind upon Him for which Jesus paid the price for   
   >>> all of   
   >>> us. Jesus knew full well what was going to happen as he made clear in   
   >>> the   
   >>> garden of Gethsemane when He asked his Father, if it be possible,   
   >>> take this   
   >>> cup away from me. He knew of the intense misery that he was about to   
   >>> bear.   
   >>> Yes. He was without sin, because of the life he lived. He lived as man,   
   >>> subject to all the temptations of men, yet he fulfilled all the Law,   
   >>> and was   
   >>> sinless. As unspotted as a sacrificial lamb. For that reason hell   
   >>> could not   
   >>> contain him. And YES the sin he bore took him to the deepest part of   
   >>> hell.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Christ fully paid our sin debt by dying in our place ("it is   
   >> finished"), not by suffering in Gehenna. However (in case James has to   
   >> be listening), this does not mean that a person can simply die   
   >> physically to atone for his sins. A human death is of finite value.   
   >> Our sins are against an infinite God. Eternal torment in the lake of   
   >> fire is the destiny of those who reject Christ's propitiating   
   >> atonement for their sins.   
   >>   
   >> As McGee notes   
   >>   
   >> "Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first   
   >> into the lower parts of the earth?" (Eph 4:9, KJV)   
   >>   
   >> The logical explanation of these verses is that since Christ ascended,   
   >> He must have of necessity descended at some previous period. Some see   
   >> only the Incarnation in this. The early church fathers saw in it the   
   >> work of Christ in bringing the Old Testament saints out of paradise up   
   >> to the throne of God. We are told that He descended into hell. It is   
   >> not necessary, however, to assume that He entered into some form of   
   >> suffering after His death. His incarnation and death were His   
   >> humiliation and descent, and they were adequate to bring the redeemed   
   >> of the Old Testament into the presence of God. That would explain His   
   >> fullness here. “He that descended is the same also that ascended up   
   >> far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.” I recognize,   
   >> however, that there are other interpretations (McGee Ephesians 4:9).   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>> But then all these things you should know and be aware of before I even   
   >>> brought them to you from the scriptures. Eh?   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Think about it, throughout the history of Man a Lamb was sacrificed   
   >>>>> for sin.   
   >>>>> Not just any lamb, but one that was perfect and without a flaw. The   
   >>>>> prime of   
   >>>>> the prime.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> And His character, His being did not change.   
   >>>   
   >>> He died as man does, not God.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Jesus was the “lamb of God that taketh away all the sin”   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Amen. Spotless, pure, holy, and not act of man ever made Him otherwise.   
   >>>>   
      
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