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   >>>>> “The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold   
   >>>>> the Lamb   
   >>>>> of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.” (Jhn 1:29, KJV)   
   >>>>   
   >>>> How did He do that?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Why are you beholden to the doctrine of the trinity as propagated   
   >>>>> by the   
   >>>>> RCC?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Don't go off the reservation, Robert, if you do, it'll end the   
   >>>> discussion.   
   >>>   
   >>> Fine then I will stop it here. the Bible does not teach the trinity.   
   >>> Never   
   >>> did. It is a doctrine of men.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> The Bible doesn't say the word "trinity". It does in fact teach that   
   >> there is only one God Being, but that three distinct persons are God.   
   >> They are one not in the mere sense of relational unity, but in divine   
   >> essence. There are not three God Beings who are simply united by   
   >> relationship or purpose. They are a single, solitary God Being--your   
   >> inability to comprehend that not withstanding.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>>>>> How can one person be three different persons? Are they a shape   
   >>>>>>> shifter?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> One Spirit. Remember, post the fall the only reason we got a Son   
   >>>>>> of God   
   >>>>>> in the flesh is because God had to place separation in Himself   
   >>>>>> (make a   
   >>>>>> way) in order to bring His children back to and into Him.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Jesus was not born without a spirit. Man was created with a body   
   >>>>> soul and   
   >>>>> spirit. We all propagated after our own kind. Which we were created   
   >>>>> to do   
   >>>>> and   
   >>>>> be. We are to worship God the Father and pray to Him. Not to Jesus.   
   >>>>> (Which   
   >>>>> is   
   >>>>> hard to do solely, as Jesus Christ was our redeemer.) Yet we are   
   >>>>> commanded   
   >>>>> to   
   >>>>> do so, and Jesus gave us the reasoning behind that in the scripture.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> There is no problem if you believe in One God.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I always pray to the Lord because...that is the way God chose to   
   >>>> identify and identifies with us; God with us. Thomas didn't have a   
   >>>> problem being in obeisance to the Lord Jesus because He SAW God before   
   >>>> Him, the One God. It is not about material terms, but spiritual   
   >>>> reality.   
   >>   
   >> Yes. There is only a solitary Being who is God. Yet there are three   
   >> distinct persons (Father, Son, and Spirit). The Father is not the Son   
   >> or Holy Spirit. The Son (although He owns the title of Everlasting   
   >> Father which is a title of authority for the king) is not the Father   
   >> or Spirit. The Spirit is not the Father or Son. All three, however,   
   >> are God individually. Yet there is only one God Being. Whether that   
   >> makes sense to a finite creature does not determine whether or not it   
   >> is true.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>> But if you want to see with the eyes of facts and bible doctrine   
   >>>> (ChristRose modus operandi) you won't be able to see with the eyes of   
   >>>> faith, which incidentally, is the only way to see God.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Lies. If you think we get a more accurate understanding of God from   
   >> what you say about God than what God's word says about God, you are a   
   >> liar and deceiver.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>>> Mankind is not the children of God, for they follow another.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Three can be a Godhead, a corporate entity in todays terms, and   
   >>>>>>> they can   
   >>>>>>> all   
   >>>>>>> be at one in total agreement, yet one is the final authority, as a   
   >>>>>>> husband is   
   >>>>>>> to the man and woman being one as ordained by God. They are one   
   >>>>>>> in Christ   
   >>>>>>> as   
   >>>>>>> he is in the Heavenly Father.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> You can't contain God in physical terms or material terms; if you   
   >>>>>> could,   
   >>>>>> you would be greater than God.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Of course not. Only a fool would declare that he could.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> It is not what a man declares in his material world, but what he   
   >>>> does...in the Spirit.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>> He is One Spirit; Father and Son are God, One and the Same, One Holy   
   >>>>>> Spirit. God is everywhere and in everything; the Father as we see Him   
   >>>>>> and the Son as we see Him; both are God. There is only One God.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Cam you define nor understand ‘one’ as spoken in the scriptures.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> ?   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Robert idiotically and idolatrously promotes the idea that three God   
   >> Beings exist, and are simply united in a relationship. There is only   
   >> one God Being and essence, not two or three. Robert promotes ignorance   
   >> and idolatry.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>> Believers become one with Christ and with other believers, not by   
   >>>>>>>>> merging into the essence of God, but by being brought into   
   >>>>>>>>> intimate   
   >>>>>>>>> fellowship with Him. This union is relational and covenantal,   
   >>>>>>>>> reflecting   
   >>>>>>>>> harmony, shared purpose, and participation in God’s life through   
   >>>>>>>>> Christ.   
   >>>>>>>>> It fulfills Jesus’ prayer in John 17:21: "that they may all be   
   >>>>>>>>> one,   
   >>>>>>>>> just   
   >>>>>>>>> as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, that they also may be   
   >>>>>>>>> in Us."   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> “Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in   
   >>>>>>> the day   
   >>>>>>> of   
   >>>>>>> judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.” (1Jn 4:17,   
   >>>>>>> KJV)   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Physically? No. Spiritually? Yes. Is not the Born Again Man born   
   >>>>>>> of the   
   >>>>>>> Heavenly Father?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> I stated something the other day which surprised me, and I am yet to   
   >>>>>> revisit and meditate further on.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> All-knowing on high Rosie wrote:   
   >>>>>>> In short, believers do not BECOME The Eternally Self-existing GOD   
   >>>>>> when >  they are made one in Christ.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> And my reply to our rosie Rosie...   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Yes, they do. Family is family and is eternal self-existent   
   >>>>>> Oneness in   
   >>>>>> and of God.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> And this was explained to me by the Holy Spirit...   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> "No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven.   
   >>>>>> Such   
   >>>>>> is the love of God."   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> You see, it is about the nature and glory of God. He is a "withhold   
   >>>>>> nothing" God whose love is all inclusive.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly   
   >>>>>> above all   
   >>>>>> that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> The power of what?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> The Holy Spirt, who dwells within the Spirit of Born Again Man.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Now, what would you think if I said to you, since a son is immersed (in   
   >>>> the vine) in God that he is actually the full expression of the Holy   
   >>>> Spirit since the Lord Jesus is his Lord?   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> I'd say you're approaching Chung-hood. You suffer from the delusion   
   >> that every idea that pops into your head is the Holy Spirit Himself   
   >> speaking. Then you turn around and try to kill people's faith in God's   
   >> actual word, calling it idolatry to base your faith on what God   
   >> Himself said, because it interferes with the delusion that your words   
   >> are God's words.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>> Here you go...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> 1Jn_4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in   
   >>>> the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "Family is family and is eternal self-existent Oneness in and of God.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Boldness! How can a sinner have boldness?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> He can't.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Liar. He can have boldness by confessing His sin and being forgiven   
   >> and cleansed of it (1 John 1:8-2:2).   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>>>> You need to have faith in God and lean not on your own sinner   
   >>>>>> understanding. You are your own very bad enemy.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> As I told you before, and recently, I learned that and started   
      
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