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   Message 113,475 of 115,092   
   In the Name of Jesus to Christ Rose   
   Re: Atonement - (1/2)   
   03 Nov 24 12:32:35   
   
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   XPost: alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic, alt.religion.chris   
   ian.east-orthodox   
   From: michaelmclean2021@outlook.com   
      
   On 3/11/2024 8:41 am, Christ Rose wrote:   
   > ========================================   
   > Sun, 3 Nov 2024 08:10:05 +1100   
   >    
   > In the Name of Jesus  wrote:   
   > ========================================   
   >> On 3/11/2024 5:00 am, Christ Rose wrote:   
   >>> ========================================   
   >>> Sat, 2 Nov 2024 17:06:34 +1100   
   >>>    
   >>> In the Name of Jesus  wrote:   
   >>> ========================================   
   >>>> On 2/11/2024 3:30 pm, Christ Rose wrote:   
   >>>>> ========================================   
   >>>>> Fri, 01 Nov 2024 10:40:27 -0700   
   >>>>>    
   >>>>> Robert  wrote:   
   >>>>> ========================================   
   >>>>>> On Nov 1, 2024, In the Name of Jesus wrote   
   >>>>>> (Message-ID: ):   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> There is only One God, Robert, only ever been One God. It was   
   >>>>>>> explained,   
   >>>>>>> God placed separation in Himself, both sides of the veil...God.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> One as in Unity.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> One as in essence and Being, not just relational unity. There are   
   >>>>> not three God Beiungs who united into one godhead. There is only   
   >>>>> one eternally self-existing Being who is God.   
   >>   
   >> In the Name of Jesus wrote:   
   >>>> That's right, but you blow it below when you say He is three   
   >>>> distinct persons, He is not.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> He is One Person, One Lord, One God.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> My "essence," your "essence" is not 3 distinct persons. We were made   
   >>>> in His image.   
   >>   
   >> We are not 3 distinct persons. We were made in His image. For your own   
   >> good, open your ears and your heart (not your head).   
   >>   
   >> ChristRose wrote:   
   >>> 1 Essence is correct. But the Father is not the Son or Spirit.   
   >>   
   >> Yes, He is.   
   >>   
   >> You can't have it both ways; be in the faith and be in the non-faith   
   >> (sin).   
   >>   
   >> God is God in all His being. One God. One God in essence is One God in   
   >> Father, Son, Holy Spirit.   
   >>   
   >> God created division within His Oneness (glorious grace) for a while   
   >> so that man could go through the Red Sea, so to speak, and enter Him,   
   >> the promised land (Him). As was explained to that stubborn, know-it-   
   >> all, 50- year bible christian expert fellow Robert. God can be likened   
   >> to the Red Sea being parted, but He always remains who and what He is   
   >> (e.g., The Red Sea), the "I am what I am (The Red Sea)"   
   >>   
   >> The unity (oneness, wholeness) of God cannot be comprehended in the   
   >> mind of man because it is *****not of this world.***** But you try in   
   >> your materialistic, egocentric sinful nature (you're a sinner, right?)   
   >> below...   
   >>   
   >>> The Son is not the Spirit or Father ("Eternal Father" not   
   >>> withstanding, because that is a King's title). The Spirit is not the   
   >>> Father or the Son. Jesus didn't pray to Himself, and the voice that   
   >>> came from heaven wasn't His own voice. There are three distinct   
   >>> persons, but only a single, solitary, divine essence or Being. That's   
   >>> where it exceeds comprehension.   
   >>   
   >> Your comprehension.   
   >>   
   >> You can't see God through fact (e.g., your personally controlled   
   >> bible); He can only be seen through the eyes of faith.   
   >>   
   >> Heb_11:1  Now FAITH is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence   
   >> of things not seen.   
   >>   
   >> Faith is hope and what is not seen, and you people just can't help   
   >> yourselves; you just have to see the facts in scripture.   
   >>   
   >> "Show me in the scriptures; show me in the scriptures; show me in the   
   >> scriptures that I might have the facts!" Faith doesn't work that way,   
   >> and your scriptures make that perfectly clear: you can't please God   
   >> without faith—His definition of faith, not yours.   
   >>   
   >> Pro 3:5  Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto   
   >> thine own understanding.   
   >>   
   >> No, but you MUST have it your way: your doctrinal analysis, your   
   >> imperatives, your "shoulds (woeful), your theology, doctrines, and   
   >> dogma according to your own understanding. Well, good luck with that.   
   >>   
   >> (Snip the ever-learning; that is not of faith).   
   >>   
   >> Learning (leaning on the seen) and faith do not go together. A hang   
   >> glider flight instructor can tell and teach you endless things "about"   
   >> flying, endless (e.g., inexhaustible bible), but there comes a time   
   >> when you need to put all the theory down and just jump into what you   
   >> don't know. That is the way with God, jumping into the unseen—that is   
   >> true faith.   
   >>   
   >> How do I know that? I jumped, and nothing is going to change in your   
   >> life until you do. You need to pray, and keep on praying, that God   
   >> will provide you a place to jump, or you will forever be stuck in the   
   >> faithless futility of ever learning and ever leaning on your own   
   >> comprehension.   
      
      
   > I kept waiting for you to make a convincing case from Scripture.   
      
   I did to anyone who has a heart to hear.   
      
   You are one belligerent bastard sinner, Rosie.   
      
   You are your own worst enemy.   
      
   No excuses.   
      
      
      
      
   In the Name of Jesus   
      
      
      
   It   
   > never happened. I don't base what I believe on what you claim, but on   
   > what I understand God's word to teach. By default, anything you say,   
   > which I do not recognize as coming from Scripture, goes directly into   
   > the garbage. Here's an analogy:   
   >   
   > “And Elisha said, “As the LORD of hosts lives, before whom I stand, were   
   > it not that I have regard for Jehoshaphat the king of Judah, I would   
   > neither look at you nor see you.” (2 Kings 3:14, ESV)   
   >   
   > If you come to me with a reasonable and convincing case from Scripture,   
   > it warrants consideration. If you come to me with claims, quips, and   
   > accusations that have nothing to do with what the Bible actually says, I   
   > may not even look at it.   
   >   
   >   
      
      
   --   
   God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.   
      
   Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John   
   10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the   
   everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.   
      
   Colossians 2:9  For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.   
      
   Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were   
   YET sinners, Christ died for us.   
      
   Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it   
   is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.   
      
   Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt   
      
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