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From: robert@no.way
On Nov 27, 2024, zebra2@windstream.net wrote
(Message-ID:):
> On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 18:53:09 -0600, Christ Rose
> wrote:
>
> > ========================================
> > Mon, 25 Nov 2024 15:40:53 -0800
> >
> > Robert wrote:
> > ========================================
> > >
> > > Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the
> > > commandments of men.
> > >
> > > Jhn 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when
ye
> > > shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
> > >
> > > Jhn 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what weworship: for
salvation
> > > is of the Jews.
> > >
> > > Jhn 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall
> > > worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such
> > > toworship him.
> > >
> > > Jhn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they thatworship him must worship himin
> > > spirit and in truth.
> >
> >
> > You have selected a bunch of verses which indicate we worship the
> > Father, while skipping over those which indicate we should worship the Son:
The point made was who did Jesus say, or command, to worship. It is really
that simple.
Did I ignore any verses that speak about worshipping Jesus while he was here?
Nope. I looked long and hard about it. When Jesus returns to this earth to
rule all nations, he will be worshipped by men, as the ruler of this world.
With consequences upon those who do not, and blessings for those that do.
When he was here from birth, he was paid homage at birth, but men did not
prostrate themselves before him as a normal occurrence in daily life. Why was
that so?
He was the promised one, the Anointed One. The Messiah. A fulfillment of
prophesy, and those that sought for him throughout time after he was
prophesied, did him honor as befitting the prophesies. Yet His Mom did not do
so, nor did his family. The believers in heaven will pay him proper homage
for the work he did for us. Yet He is not his Father, and he would never seek
to usurp the Heavenly Fathers place, which Lucifer sought to do.
> >
> >
> > - Matthew 2:11: "And going into the house, they saw the child with Mary
> > his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him. Then, opening their
> > treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh" (ESV).
>
> Look at Strong's definition of the word here translated as worship.
> That word is "proskuneo".
>
> "Strong's Ref. # 4352
>
> Romanized proskuneo
> Pronounced pros-koo-neh'-o
>
> from GSN4314 and a probable derivative of GSN2965 (meaning to kiss,
> like a dog licking his master's hand); to fawn or crouch to, i.e.
> (literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence
> to, adore):"
>
> Notice these translations:
>
> -- New Jerusalem with Apocrypha
> Matthew 2:11 and going into the house they saw the child with his
> mother Mary, and falling to their knees they did him homage. Then,
> opening their treasures, they offered him gifts of gold and
> frankincense and myrrh.
>
> -- New American with Apocrypha
> Matthew 2:11 and on entering the house they saw the child with Mary
> his mother. They prostrated themselves and did him homage. Then they
> opened their treasures and offered him gifts of gold, frankincense,
> and myrrh.
>
> - New Revised Standard with Apocrypha
> Matthew 2:11 On entering the house, they saw the child with Mary his
> mother; and they knelt down and paid him homage. Then, opening their
> treasure chests, they offered him gifts of gold, frankincense, and
> myrrh.
>
> -- Young's Bible
> Matthew 2:11 and having come to the house, they found the child with
> Mary his mother, and having fallen down they bowed to him, and having
> opened their treasures, they presented to him gifts, gold, and
> frankincense, and myrrh,
>
> -- Darby's Bible
> Matthew 2:11 And having come into the house they saw the little child
> with Mary his mother, and falling down did him homage. And having
> opened their treasures, they offered to him gifts, gold, and
> frankincense, and myrrh.
>
> -- Weymouth's New Testament
> Matthew 2:11 So they entered the house; and when they saw the babe
> with His mother Mary, they prostrated themselves and did Him homage,
> and opening their treasure-chests offered gifts to Him - gold,
> frankincense, and myrrh.
>
> (Matthew 2:11) And when they went into the house, they saw the young
> child with Mary his mother, and falling down, they did obeisance to
> him. They also opened their treasures and presented him with
> gifts—gold and frankincense and myrrh. (NWT)
>
> BUT APPARENTLY IT CAN ALSO MEAN WORSHIP. Thus, your Bible and many
> others are correct also.
The Kings of England, as well as other rulers in the land of note were
addresses as “Your Worship” as well. Kissing the hand or ring or
authority is also called worship, as in those of the RCC honor their Pope as
their leader. Something that no one did for Apostles.
>
>
> So this doesn't settle the question of worship to Jesus.
We are called to honor, or worship him with out lives, in this world. If one
dishonors him, especially as a full part of the Godhead, he will dishonor
those people before the Heavenly Father.
>
>
> Sincerely James.
>
> > - Matthew 14:33: "And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, 'Truly
> > you are the Son of God'" (ESV).
>
> > - Matthew 28:9: "And behold, Jesus met them and said, 'Greetings!' And
> > they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him" (ESV).
>
> > - Matthew 28:17: "And when they saw him they worshiped him, but some
> > doubted" (ESV).
>
> > - John 9:38: "He said, 'Lord, I believe,' and he worshiped him" (ESV).
>
> >
> > - John 20:28: "Thomas answered him, 'My Lord and my God!'" (ESV).
>
> That is an exclamation! Like "Holy Cow", or "Oh my God", etc. Thomas
> could have said the common expression "Oh my God", which you would
> have jumped on to prove your point.
Why would he? Jesus had at various times as God to show the disciples the
former Glory of Jesus, that he set aside in order to be a man. When he was
raised from the dead, there was no mistaking that by those in the know. Yet
there is no reference of them treating him any different after his
resurrection then before. Although I cannot see how they would not have
individually recognized who he really was at that point, and without any
doubt. Although Thomas acted as if he was from Missouri.
>
>
> >
> > - Philippians 2:10-11: "So that at the name of Jesus every knee should
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