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tian.roman-catholic
From: michaelmclean2021@outlook.com
On 28/11/2024 12:55 am, Christ Rose wrote:
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> Tue, 26 Nov 2024 22:35:38 -0800
>
> Robert wrote:
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>>
>> Jhn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
>>
>> Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will
>> keep my
>> words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and
>> make our
>> abode with him.
>>
>> Jhn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even
>> as I
>> have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
>>
>> Question, if you do not read the Words of God how then can you keep his
>> commandments?
>
>
> You can't. This exposes McGaslighter as one who seeks to turn people
> away from the Jesus we know from the Bible. He labors to turn people
> away from what the real Jesus actually said, and what the word of God
> says about the real Jesus. Then he substitutes his own fabricated Jesus
> whenever he doesn't like what the real Jesus says.
>
> • Jesus said the Holy Spirit would guide his disciples into all truth,
> yet he denies what John wrote by the Holy Spirit, claiming he doesn't
> even have a sin nature, or ever sin (John 1:8-9).
>
> • Thus, he denies he should confess his sins to the Lord on a daily
> basis while he asks for his daily food, as the real Jesus instructed him
> to do (Matthew 6:11-12).
>
> • He denies that a "brother" could sin against him 490 times per day,
> but should still be considered a brother and forgiven if he repents
> (Luke 17:3-4; Matthew 18:21-22). Instead, he implies the person is not a
> brother at all, but is an unregenerate. Thus he treats those who
> actually are obeying and following Christ, as if they are unbelievers
> for doing what the real Jesus told them to do, and admitting they have a
> sin nature and need to confess their sins to God.
>
> • He confuses Christ's once-for-all atonement with the idea that he made
> a once-for-all confession of his sin.
>
> • By denying he has a sin nature or ever sins, he exposes himself as one
> who has neither the truth nor the word of God in him (1 John 1:8-9).
>
>
>
>> If your conscience is seared, then how will you understand? And look
>> also at
>> all the excuses one has for doing this thing or that? Which Jesus
>> stated was
>> of the flesh, carnal.
>
>
> Which proves the point you played devil's advocate against for a year:
> the believer has a sin nature which must be reckoned as dead in Christ
> through faith, in order to not yield to that nature. You claimed that
> nature was "gone"¹, in support of Gnostic heresy (1 John 1:8-9). Now you
> come back and admit it's the truth. You tried to portray me as some kind
> of Bible contradicting liar who was out to promote sin, for admitting
> what the Bible everywhere teaches, which is that the believer retains a
> sin nature that wages war against him till glory (Romans 8).
>
>
>> How can anyone claim to worship Jesus if their being is not totally
>> involved
>> with Him in everyday life?
>
>
> Ask yourself that the next time you
>
> • 1) try to poison people's minds against someone who is proclaiming the
> truth of the gospel, while you
>
> • 2) then go and say the same thing they just said, and
>
> • 3) pretend like when you say it, you're correcting their error.
>
> You show every day that you're not so much interested in the propagation
> of the truth here, as you are making sure no one but yourself is viewed
> as knowing or proclaiming it.
>
> • Then, after you dedicate your life to this kind of behavior, you
> accuse anyone who rebukes you over it of failing to show you love.
> You're such a self-evident hypocrite.
>
>
>> How often in any given day do you praise Him with thanksgiving and
>> prayers
>> for his involvement in your day to day life?
>>
>> Matthew 11:29(KJV) 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am
>> meek
>> and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
>>
>> Desire rest, then dwell in this life as did Jesus.
>>
>> As Believers in Jesus do this,...
>>
>> Matthew 26:41(KJV) 41Watch and pray, that ye enter not into
>> temptation: the
>> spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
>>
>> For this cause one should walk always in the spirit, so as not to
>> follow the
>> Fleshly desires.
>
>
> What "fleshly desires"? Didn't you spend a year playing devil's advocate
> for the Gnostic heresy that believers don't even have a sin nature,
> because it's "gone"?¹
>
> This is what I'm talking about. When someone else proclaims the truth
> (believers struggle against a sin nature till glory (https://
> christrose.news/sin-nature), you try to portray them as one who promotes
> and encourages sin, and who promotes doctrines contrary to what the
> Bible teaches. Then you come back and say the same thing they said, and
> act like you're the only one who knows or defends the truth. How does
> this not expose the fact you're not in here so much to support the
> propagation of the truth, as you are to convey the impression you're the
> only one who knows or tells it?
>
> ___________________________
>
> Source
> 1.
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> Fri, 31 May 2024 12:01:20 -0700,
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> Robert wrote:
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> The old sin-nature is GONE -- For the believer
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There are no whore Rosie's in Christ Jesus.
The sons of God repented of all they were and were cleansed of all
unrighteousness; not through their own efforts, but through the work of
the Lord in obedience to His will.
Sinners have another master, sin! And no amount of theology is going to
change that fact! "Lord, Lord didn't we study the bible in our own names?"
Yeah, piss off, ye self-worshiping liars.
In the Name of Jesus
--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30 I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.
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