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From: michaelmclean2021@outlook.com
On 6/12/2024 11:34 pm, Christ Rose wrote:
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> Thu, 05 Dec 2024 21:14:26 -0800
>
> Robert wrote:
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>> Why some ‘lose’ their salvation.
>
>
> He has 'lose' their salvation in quotes, so I'm assuming he isn't
> claiming people actually 'lose' their salvation.
>
>
>> Again, these are excellent
>> understandings as to why one needs the baptism of the Holy Spirit,
>> with the
>> seal or as it were the promissory note unto eternal life,
>
>
> “In Him you also trusted,
You see that?
"In Him you trust," not in a theology claim—or any theology—of Christ's
death on the cross.
And there is the whole problem with sinner christianity, of which Robert
and ChristRose subscribe to.
In the Name of Jesus
after you heard the word of truth, the gospel
> of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with
> the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance
> until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His
> glory.” (Ephesians 1:13–14, NKJV)
>
>
>> for all who walk in
>> the spirit and put to death the lusts of the flesh.
>
>
> “There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ
> Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the
> Spirit.” (Romans 8:1, NKJV)
>
>
>> For the believer has been
>> given all power over the enemy through Jesus The Christ.
>
>
> Ephesians 6 tells believers how they should relate to spiritual forces.
> It says nothing whatsoever about them having "all power" over the enemy.
> Jesus has "all power" over the enemy (Matthew 28:18). Believers are
> supposed to put on the armor of God and prayer, not try and directly
> command the enemy what to do (Ephesians 6:10-18).
>
> Charismatics are like the seven sons of Sceva, who tried to imitate the
> apostles by commanding evil spirits. Here's the result:
>
> “Now God worked unusual miracles by the hands of Paul, so that even
> handkerchiefs or aprons were brought from his body to the sick, and the
> diseases left them and the evil spirits went out of them. Then some of
> the itinerant Jewish exorcists took it upon themselves to call the name
> of the Lord Jesus over those who had evil spirits, saying, “We exorcise
> you by the Jesus whom Paul preaches.” Also there were seven sons of
> Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, who did so. And the evil spirit answered
> and said, “Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are you?” Then the man
> in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, overpowered them, and
> prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and
> wounded.” (Acts 19:11–16, NKJV)
>
> Charismatics try to confuse the signs and wonders which were temporarily
> given to the apostles to validate the gospel message, with the every day
> norm for today. The gospel has already been validated (Hebrews 2:3-4).
> Anyone claiming to do signs and wonders or miracles today, is a liar who
> mocks the Holy Spirit (https://christrose.news/ceased), and who seeks to
> walk by carnal sight rather than faith in what the Bible says (John
> 20:24-31).
>
> Now there will be some twisted liar who says 'God can still do
> miracles!', as if to deny that signs and wonders are still happening
> today means you're claiming God is no longer able to do the
> supernatural. Twisted liars they are, who practice deceit. It's not that
> God is no longer able to do the supernatural, it's that He has already
> validated the gospel message (Hebrews 2:3-4), and now requires men to
> walk by faith in what the eyewitness testimony in the Bible says (John
> 20:24-31).
>
> When God operates in supernatural ways today, it's exactly that. It's
> God operating in a supernatural way. It's not a sign or wonder to
> validate the gospel message, as if it hasn't already been validated. The
> sign and wonder gifts ceased by the end of Paul's ministry (https://
> christrose.news/ceased), because the gospel had already been validated.
> God may or may not chose to intervene in supernatural ways today, but
> the sign gifts (e.g. miracles, tongues, healings, etc.) have ceased. You
> don't find them in any list of Spiritual gifts after Galatians (e.g.
> Ephesians 4; Peter, etc.).
>
> Charismatics operate in denial of the fact God has already validated the
> gospel, as if He has to keep on validating it for them personally, so
> they don't have to operate by faith, but may instead walk by sight. Thus
> they walk in carnality at best, and seek to get others to do the same.
> They mock the Holy Spirit by trying to imitate the Apostles, without
> actually having that power given to them. They are like the seven sons
> of Sceva, who pretend to imitate the apostles, while they lack the power
> of those gifts. They invite a good beating by spiritual forces.
>
> Today, the believer is validated not by signs and wonders, but by the
> fruit of love, obedience, confession of Christ, separation from the
> world, etc. This is made clear in 1 John (one of the last epistles to be
> written). Nothing after Galatians mentions anything at all about
> believers doing or experiencing signs and wonders, or about those things
> being evidence of saving faith in Christ. Hebrews shows that the second
> generation believers did not have first-hand experience with signs and
> wonders, but only with those performed by those who first saw the Lord
> (2:3-4).
>
>
>> The Parable of the Sower Explained
>>
>> Mat 13:18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
>>
>> Mat 13:19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and
>> understandeth it
>> not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown
>> in his
>> heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
>>
>> Mat 13:20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he
>> that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
>>
>> Mat 13:21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for
>> when
>> tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is
>> offended.
>>
>> Mat 13:22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that
>> heareth the
>> word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches,
>> choke the
>> word, and he becometh unfruitful.
>>
>> Mat 13:23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that
>> heareth
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