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   From: dalton@nfld.com   
      
   On Jun 4, 2025, Henderson wrote   
   (in article <9oS%P.7270$9Zy4.2855@fx42.iad>):   
      
   > David Dalton wrote:   
   >   
   > > Am I right in saying that in the Jewish Torah Jacob is said to   
   > > have wrestled with his God whereas in the Christian Old Testament   
   > > it says he wrestled with an angel?   
   > >   
   > > I believe the reference to Jacob “wrestling” with his God at night   
   > > means he negotiated with his God on behalf of all humans   
   > > in his (large, but not global) region, but over a period of   
   > > 18 years, not just one night.   
   >   
   > It may really have been his brother Esau, which would make a lot of   
   > sense, given their histories. Esau had reason to even the score with   
   > Jacob, and Jacob had reason to repent for what he'd done to his brother.   
      
   There are other brother pairs in mythology and religious history, including   
      
   Nisien and Efnysien   
   and   
   Lleu and Dylan   
   and   
   Cain and Abel   
      
   and probably a few more (I think a pair of Eastern European   
   deities is mentioned in Neil Gaiman’s novel American Gods).   
      
   My brother James is bipolar like me and is in ill health   
   these days but I hope to indirectly heal him (my equivalent   
   to Jesus’s healer special ability is matchmaking so I   
   can’t directly heal him) by instigating sudden evolution   
   which will involve healing of many.   
      
   --   
   https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)   
   “And now the angry morning; Gives the early signs of warning; You must   
   face alone the plans you make; Decisions they will try to break" (S.McL.)   
      
   --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)