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   Tue, 15 Jul 2025 14:21:53 -0700   
   <1056gpg$9vf9$1@dont-email.me>   
   "Robert" (a.k.a "None", "Dr. Who",   
   "Anonymous", "HTH", "ahisrwic") wrote:   
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   > “Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto   
   > you.” (Mat 9:29)   
      
      
   The subject line is correct, cessation of the sign gifts is real.   
   However, this is not due to unbelief. Righteous faith can only come by   
   hearing what the Bible teaches (Romans 10:17), not by putting faith in   
   what it does not teach. The Bible clearly said sign gifts like tongues   
   would "cease" of themselves:   
      
         “Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for   
          tongues, THEY WILL CEASE; as for knowledge, it will pass away.   
          For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when the   
          perfect comes, the partial will pass away. When I was a child, I   
          spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a   
          child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. For now we   
          see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in   
          part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.”   
          (1 Corinthians 13:8–12, ESV, emphasis added)   
      
         • The phrase "will cease" is in the middle voice. The middle   
           voice shows that the subject is acting on itself. This means   
           tongues are not made to cease by the coming of "the perfect".   
           They have a built-in cessation.   
      
         • By contrast, it says prophecy and knowledge will "pass away".   
           This is in the passive voice. It means prophecy and knowledge   
           will be made to cease by the coming of "the perfect".   
      
         • If you understand "the perfect" to mean the coming of Christ,   
           then the only Spiritual gifts which the Bible indicates will be   
           made to cease by the arrival of Christ, are prophecy and   
           knowledge.   
      
   Conclusion: There is not a shred of evidence in the Bible which   
   necessitates that any of the sign gifts must continue until the arrival   
   of Christ. Tongues are specifically said to cease of themselves and not   
   to be made to cease by the arrival of that which is perfect.   
      
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   raised Him from the dead?   
      
   That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death   
   penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death   
   satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John   
   2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your   
   sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.   
      
   On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on   
   the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name   
   of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).   
      
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