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   From: none@none.non   
      
   On Aug 19, 2025, jojo wrote   
   (Message-ID:):   
      
   > David Dalton wrote:   
   > > On Aug 15, 2025, Christ Rose wrote   
   > > (in article):   
   > >   
   > > > “And Jesus stretched out his hand and touched him, saying, ‘I   
   > > > will; be clean.’ And immediately his leprosy was cleansed.”   
   > > > (Matthew 8:3, ESV)   
   > >   
   > > I claim that Jesus had healer special ability, and that it was   
   > > granted to the apostles and some others at Pentecost.   
   > > I also claim that the ability has to be applied by willing,   
   > > not by prayer, and think that the above quote is evidence   
   > > of that. However the ability is divinely granted.   
   > >   
   > > There was some debate on the subject between me   
   > > and Kendall on moderated group uk.religion.christian   
   > > in the thread “Feast of Saint James”. Kendall believes   
   > > that healing comes just from prayer, not willing.   
   >   
   > moderated?? how? arent all groups open doors?   
      
   Yes, well before googles take over of the Usenet, and then their own private   
   groups, there were moderated groups. The posts were moderated by moderators,   
   like doh!, before they were posted. Thus eliminating trolls, haters etc, as   
   well as off topic posts. Yet others could read what was posted. You could, if   
   you knew the codes, post unmoderated posts which would infuriate all who were   
   in the NG, and then if if happened constantly you would be “banned” from   
   the Usenet entirely. Based on a variety of things like your service provider,   
   IP addy, usernames email addy’s etc. all of which there were WK workarounds   
   for the knowledgeable.   
      
   In regards to the topic neither will or prayer is the ‘magic’ formula for   
   healing.   
      
   Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall   
   raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.   
      
   This is why doubters do not receive, and such is true of religious people and   
   their prayers, like prayers written for the purposes of healing or whatever   
   the topic is. Jesus emphasized that fact many times when He stated,   
   “according to your faith be it unto you”. Doubters receive according to   
   their beliefs.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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