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      [continued from previous message]              >> than federal level but children generally tend to be viewed as akin to       >> property that can be disposed of according to parental wishes. In the       >> UK, parents are regarded as trustees, who are obliged to act in the best       >> interests of their children, and may be overruled if they fail to do so.       >> One consequence is that a child’s consent to vaccination cannot be       >> assumed from parental consent. Vaccines are also being offered to       >> children in France but the legal position in civil law countries would       >> require further research. Germany is only offering vaccines to children       >> with a narrow range of disabilities contributing to vulnerability, much       >> as JCVI has previously recommended.       >> Ethical Issues: There is a substantial literature within bioethics about       >> vaccination in general and about children and medical interventions.       >> Vaccination for children against SARS-COV-2 raises novel issues for the       >> application of these principles, which should be specifically tested.       >> These include, but are not restricted to:-       >> Consent: It is generally considered desirable for children to give their       >> own full and informed consent to medical interventions, where they have       >> the capacity to do so. This is also settled English law following       >> Gillick. Children’s consent should only be over-ridden where they       >> clearly lack capacity, as in some cases where the courts have authorised       >> non-consensual treatment of older teenagers with mental health problems.       >> Equally, both parental and child consent can be over-ridden where it is       >> considered that neither understand the full implications of the medical       >> intervention, as in the recent case on puberty blockers. The latter case       >> may be particularly relevant, given the essentially irreversible nature       >> of the intervention and the allied risks. Any proposed policy should be       >> assessed for its ability to elicit independent and informed consent,       >> with consideration for the opportunities for children to receive       >> explanations and information sheets appropriate to their age and       >> understanding and clearly describing the balance of risks and benefits       >> to them as individuals. Those administering the vaccination have a       >> particular responsibility to ensure that the child has not been coerced,       >> either directly or indirectly. Consent cannot be assumed simply from       >> self-presentation for vaccination.       >> Altruism: Should children and young people be expected or required to be       >> vaccinated for the wider benefit of society in a pandemic? Can children       >> be compelled to act for the benefit of others? If so, which others?       >> There has been a debate about the ethics of parents having a second       >> child in order to harvest stem cells to treat a first child born with       >> Fanconi’s Anaemia. The conclusion was that this was unacceptable because       >> it reduced the second child to an object for donation rather than a       >> human with their own right to bodily integrity. There have been similar       >> debates about children participating in live organ donation to parents       >> or siblings. Is there a parallel with a child being required to accept       >> the uncertain and potentially irreversible personal risk/benefit of       >> vaccination for the benefit of a specific adult, or another child in the       >> same household? Does this principle extend to adults in general? What       >> does this mean for the principle of autonomy? Although the parallels are       >> not exact, they suggest there are issues about ‘forced altruism’ to be       >> considered if it is argued that the vaccination of children is for an       >> assumed benefit to others, whether to society as a whole or to specific       >> households. Other UK child vaccination programmes such as LAIV needed to       >> demonstrate benefit to individual children as well as older adults       >> before JCVI approval.       >> Global Equity: The argument has been made that it is unethical to       >> vaccinate low-risk children in affluent countries before higher-risk       >> adults in low and middle-income countries. This raises issues about the       >> boundaries of a supposed moral community and the nature of obligations       >> to others. Whilst it is recognised that the remit of JCVI and MEAG does       >> not extend outside the UK, reputational damage could be incurred if this       >> issue is not explicitly addressed in a timely and appropriate manner.       >> 13.6.21       >> Read in full       >> Source: Department of Health & Social Care memo       >> It had been circulated among the Government’s vaccine taskforce, the       >> Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) and MEAG before       >> the decision to press ahead with a jab rollout to children.       >> But the document, written by members of a JCVI sub-committee, was       >> “suppressed”, according to a whistleblower, who said: “We were just       told       >> not to circulate it. Word came down to a committee chair to ‘stop       this’.”       >> In summer 2021, there were intense discussions within Whitehall about       >> whether to extend the vaccine rollout to healthy children. In September,       >> the JCVI refused to give the green light to vaccinating 12 to 15-year-olds.       >> But days later, Sir Chris, along with his counterparts in Wales,       >> Scotland and Northern Ireland, effectively overrode this advice and       >> recommended that children be vaccinated, arguing that it would prevent       >> disruption to their education.       >> MEAG was convened again in September 2021, just days before Sir Chris       >> made the recommendation. But members were asked to advise on the       >> phenomenon of virginity testing for women and girls, a topic completely       >> unrelated to the pandemic.       >> In October – at the peak of the debate over vaccine passports – MEAG was       >> asked to advise on the non-urgent issue of statutory storage limits for       >> eggs, sperm and embryos.       >> ‘We had been sidelined’       >> MEAG met for a final time in mid-December 2021, around the time of a       >> public debate about whether the vaccine should be rolled out to       >> five-year-olds. But instead of being asked about this issue, it was told       >> to advise on the use of AI in medical testing.       >> During the early months of 2022, meeting dates had been pencilled in but       >> were cancelled when Department of Health officials failed to offer any       >> topics for discussion.       >> Despite still having a year left in its term, the group was not called       >> again and was effectively wound down early, before being formally stood       >> down in October 2022 following a review conducted by Sir Chris and       >> another Department of Health official.       >> “We had been sidelined. That was the end of it,” recalled one former       >> member recalled. “If we are being sidelined, then being silenced comes       >> with it.”       >> The issues in the MEAG meeting minutes were first uncovered by Molly and       >> Ben Kingsley of the campaign group UsForThem, who wrote about the group       >> in their book The Accountability Deficit.       >> UsForThem instructed lawyers to write to the Covid inquiry on two       >> occasions – once in December 2023 and again in February last year – to       >> urge it to examine the role of the group.       >> Ms Kingsley said it was a “glaring omission” that the Covid inquiry’s       >> latest report failed to mention the role of MEAG.       >> “It is astonishing that the Covid inquiry, with its battalions of       >> lawyers and at a projected cost to the taxpayer of over £200m, has       >> failed to examine what appears to have been the deliberate silencing,              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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