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From: none@none.non
On Sep 26, 2025, zebrabible@proton.me wrote
(Message-ID:):
> On Sat, 06 Sep 2025 10:34:49 -0700, None wrote:
>
> > On Sep 6, 2025, zebrabible@proton.me wrote
> > (Message-ID:):
> >
> > > On Thu, 04 Sep 2025 21:59:08 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sep 4, 2025, zebrabible@proton.me wrote
> > > > (Message-ID:):
> > > >
> > > > > Tithing. Compulsory?
> > > > >
> > > > > Some churches indicate that tithing is a command. A common amount is
> > > > > 10% of your income. But no all people can't afford that. They need
> > > > > every penny just to get by. So does God condemn them?
> > > > >
> > > > > NO! God is a God of love. (1 John 4:8) He would never punish a person
> > > > > for not contributing.
> > > >
> > > > “Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have
we
> > > > robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for
ye
> > > > have
> > > > robbed me, even this whole nation. Bring ye all the tithes into the
> > > > storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now
> > > > herewith,
> > > > saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven,
and
> > > > pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive
> > > > it.” (Mal 3:8-10)
> > >
> > > Yes, but the Mosaic Laws were Fulfilled with Jesus' death. That
> > > Scripture in Mal 3:8-10 does not apply to Christians.
> >
> > The curse of the laws were removed. The laws are still there for our
> > instruction/learning and understanding. Jesus said that anyone who takes
> > away of marking in the law is not of him. That they have not passed away.
>
> A correction. (see below)
>
> Actually, the whole Mosaic laws was no longer binding upon God's
> servants:
>
> Col 2:14
>
> "having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was
> against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it
> to the cross." (NIV)
Col 2:14 He has blotted out the note of debt against us with the decrees of
our sins, which was contrary to us; and He has taken it away, having nailed
it to the cross.
It was our sin that was nailed to the cross. Jesus said,
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am
not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or
one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and
shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:
but whosoever shall do and teach them,the same shall be called great in the
kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceedthe
righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into
the kingdom of heaven.
The Law Covenant was between God and the Jew, not the Gentile.
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without
law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers
of the law shall be justified.
Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the
things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto
themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their
conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing
or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ
according to my gospel.
>
>
> > >
> > >
> > > In the Bible, remember the husband and wife that contributed land to
> > > Christian congregation, and later changed their mind and took it back?
> > > They were told that the land was theirs and they didn't have to
> > > contribute it. But when they did, it was no longer theirs. So they
> > > played false to the Holy Spirit and paid with their lives.
> >
> > You got it wrong. They did not take it back. They sold the land and then
lied
> > to the Church and the Holy Spirit about the part of the money they withheld
> > when they presented their gift to the Lord. It also had nothing to do with
> > tithing, but was an offering. You might want to read a proper bible and see
> > the truth and the fact that they lied.
>
> My Bible says the same thing. I was lazy and didn't look it up again.
> So I recited it from memory. Thanks for the correction.
>
> Even when they sold the land, it was still all their money. They must
> have promised it all.
You still got it wrong. They did not have to give it all, just give what they
felt from the heart without lying about it. The deceived all by saying that
the donated the money from the land, as if it were all of the money.
Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to
the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was
it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart?
thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
Act 5:8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so
much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
V4 two different version which may clarify the scripture to you.
(AFV)Before it was sold, was it not yours? And after you sold it, was it not
in your own authority? Why did you contrive this thing in your heart? You
have not lied to men, but to God.”
(AMPC)As long as it remained unsold, was it not still your own? And [even]
after it was sold, was not [the money] at your disposal and under your
control? Why then, is it that you have proposed and purposed in your heart to
do this thing? [How could you have the heart to do such a deed?] You have not
[simply] lied to men [playing false and showing yourself utterly deceitful]
but to God.
>
> > >
> > >
> > > So et me rephrase it. God will never punish a person who does what he
> > > can for contributions. Now if a millionaire gave just $1.00 EACH
> > > month, it is up to God how to deal with him. I don't know.
> >
> > When you rephrase a lie, it remains a lie, for your intent, and decent
> > remain in your heart.
>
> I don't lie. See the definition of a lie. It must be said to knowingly
> deceive. I never try to deceive anyone.
Yes, you do. Many have shown you the scripture along with the understanding,
even adding the root greek of the scripture and all that it meant. Yet you
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