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   > > iniquities: the chastisement of our peacewas upon him; and with his stripes   
   > > we are healed.   
   > >   
   > > Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to   
   his   
   > > own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.   
   > >   
   > > V6 also speaks of of Jesus being made sin for mankind. Do you really think   
   > > that a being who was just a man could bear all the sins of mankind   
   > > throughout history without disintegrating before your eyes?   
   >   
   > Jesus was compared to Adam. Adam who was perfect to start out, sinned   
   > and was thrown out of Eden to die.   
   > Jesus was a perfect man who showed that he could follow all of God's   
   > commands. Yes, Jesus was the "last Adam". (1 Cor 15:45)   
      
   1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul;   
   the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.   
      
   The first Adam became a living soul. From a lump of dirt.   
      
   The second Adam and the last Adam because a quickening spirit, IOW the   
   begetter of the spiritual man. One who will live forever, if the accept Jesus   
   as God into their hearts. IE the Born Again ones.   
      
   >   
   > > >   
   > > >   
   > > > We can be glad the Mosaic Laws were done away with, for breaking a   
   > > > commandment could cost you your life.   
   > >   
   > > One sin, no matter how slight makes you a sinner. Yes, even what you think   
   > > of as a little white lie. Without the redemptive work of God present in   
   your   
   > > life, one is indeed doomed to eternal torment.   
   >   
   > Only a savage and sadistic god tortures living beings forever, in of   
   > all things, FIRE. That's right up Satan's alley. He LOVES to watch   
   > people get tortured. And he gets away with lies about God torturing,   
   > etc. How sick.   
      
   God turns man over to their god, satan. To torment. You occasionally dwell in   
   torment in this life when you realize you made costly bad or poor choices.   
   Extend and magnify that by a continuous eternal existence due to your poor   
   choice as you dwell in eternal self condemnation from not only yourself but   
   your ‘loved ones’ who point their fingers at you for being the servant   
   who followed a false god and led them to that place. As well as the demons   
   who mock you for your poor choice. And add to you suffering.   
      
   Yet even now, look at you. LOOK at you who claims to believe ALL of the Word   
   of God who clearly warned you what eternal death will be like and focused on   
   those points many times in an effort to warn an caution you as he also   
   provided a way of salvation from all of that and even sacrificed his own self   
   in order that you could receive forgiveness, and receive the righteousness of   
   God the Father.   
      
   Yet here you are condemning the very one you claim to follow.   
   >   
   > The churches latched on to Satan's lies, and even promotes it about   
   > the God they allegedly worship. That makes them co-conspirators with   
   > Satan.   
      
   So you are now claiming that Satan wrote all those scriptures about the pits   
   of hell, eternal death, torment and the lake of Fire?   
      
   Friend it is you an the JW as well a some other religions a few who also,   
   like you, claim to be Christians yet are not, it is you all that dwell in   
   deception and not only that but are proud of it, even while know that all of   
   scripture speaks to these things.   
   >   
   >   
   > > Which is why Christ came to   
   > > save us from our sins, and once a person has accepted his work, as God,   
   >   
   > No way hose. Paul summed it up at 1 Cor 11:3,   
   >   
   > -- New King James   
   > 1 Corinthians 11:3 But I want you to know that the head of every man   
   > is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.   
   >   
   > Thus, Jesus cannot be God. That Scripture is simple and gives God's   
   > arrangement of things.   
      
   There is nothing there that supports what you claim. And you have been shown   
   that many times, yet you parrot it as a mantra.   
   >   
   >   
   > > and ask for and received redemption, and walks in the spirit, the   
   redemptive   
   > > work of God is a constantly ongoing work to wash that mans sins away   
   throughout   
   > > their normal life on this planet.   
   >   
   > Yes, all men sin.   
      
   Not all men walk in sin.   
   >   
   >   
   > > >   
   > > > For example, working on the Sabbath was a death penalty.   
   > >   
   > > That is a lie. A Pharisaic lie.   
   >   
   > That statement comes right out of Scripture:   
   >   
   > - New King James   
   > Exodus 31:15 `Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the   
   > Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the   
   > Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.   
      
   Jesus established the full truth of that as I recently showed you wherein one   
   of those truths was all the work on the Sabbath day that they did. How did   
   any priest survive with all the sabbaths.   
   >   
   >   
   > Also, there were many Sabbaths. For example,   
   >   
   > The 7th day, the 7th year, the 50th year (Jubilee year), Nisan 14   
   > (Passover), Nisan 15, Nisan 21, etc.   
      
   There is more than that.   
   >   
   >   
   > > Mat 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and   
   > > his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to   
   eat.   
   > >   
   > > Mat 12:2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy   
   > > disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.   
   > >   
   > > Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he   
   was   
   > > an hungred, and they that were with him;   
   > >   
   > > Mat 12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread,   
   > > which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him,   
   > > but only for the priests?   
   > >   
   > > Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the   
   > > priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?   
   > >   
   > > Mat 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is onegreater than the   
   > > temple.   
   > >   
   > > Mat 12:7 But if ye had known what thismeaneth, I will have mercy, and not   
   > > sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.   
   > >   
   > > Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.   
   > >   
   > > Lest you forget, Jesus fulfilled ALL the Law.   
   >   
   > That's what I have been saying all along.   
      
   No you haven’t and you ignored all the scripture given you above, Yet even   
   though you will claim that you believe it all.   
   >   
   >   
   > >   
   > > >   
   > > > So if they were ended, that means we can now go and steal whatever we   
   > > > want, etc? (7th commandment)   
   > > >   
   > > > No. Many of them have been copied into the NT. Like the 7th   
   > > > commandment above, we still cannot steal:   
   > > >   
   > > > --King James   
   > > > Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him   
   > > > labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may   
   > > > have to give to him that needeth.   
   > >   
   > > You posted no commandment. Where is the ordinance of it? An ordinance or   
   Law   
   > > has a judgment attached to it. Where is it? What is the punishment?   
   >   
   > It is the 7th commandment. Ex 20:15.   
      
   That is very disingenuous of you for you claimed that Jesus destroyed all the   
   law and that none of it is in effect.   
   >   
   >   
   > >   
   > > Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we   
   > > were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the   
   oldness   
   > > of the letter.   
   > >   
   > > Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by   
   > > the law, then Christ is dead in vain.   
      
   Well?   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > >   
   > > > But still some may insist that the 10 commandments are separate from   
   > > > the other laws in that the other laws they call ceremonial laws,   
   > > > whereas the 10 commandments are ordinances.   
   > > > Did Paul divide them that way? Notice Col 2:14 again:   
   > >   
      
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