XPost: alt.religion.christian
From: .robert@mu.way
On Sep 29, 2025, James wrote
(Message-ID:):
> On Sat, 27 Sep 2025 23:23:51 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 27, 2025, James wrote
> > (Message-ID:):
> >
> > > The Athanasian Creed, one of the earliest complete statements of the
> > > Trinity, explains it this way:
> > >
> > > "The Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is all
> > > one: the glory equal, the majesty coeternal. . . . the Father is
> > > almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Ghost almighty. . . . So the
> > > Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet
> > > there are not three Gods, but one God. . . . In this Trinity none is
> > > afore or after other; none is greater or less than another. But the
> > > whole three persons are coeternal together, and coequal."
> > >
> > > Here is that last line again: "But the whole three persons are
> > > coeternal together, and coequal."
> > >
> > > Coequal? Paul disagrees with man's uninspired interpretation. With
> > > Jesus in Heaven with God, Paul says:
> > >
> > > -- King James
> > > 1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every
> > > man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of
> > > Christ is God.
> > >
> > > Yet at 1 Cor 11:3 Paul says that the head of Christ is God. Thus they
> > > are not COEQUAL as that Creed alleges.
> >
> > So you deny that a husband and wife are co-equal, and are also one? That
> > even while the husband typically take the position of the leader, he also
serves
> > the lesser? Protecting and supporting her like a servant would?
>
> So then you are saying like a husband and wife, God is the position of
> the leader and also protects the lesser Jesus?
Read what you wrote, and what you assumed. Then read what I asked you based
on your assumptions, not what I know and understand the truth to be.
You tried to reshape the narrative knowing full well from our many
discussions on this topic that a husband and wife are equal.
Same with God. What you refuse to accept in the understandings of that truth,
and the relationship that accompanies it. While one can be a leader, the
other can stop and action or thought with equal authority.
> That is not what the churches teach. They teach that Jesus and God are
> equal, since they say Jesus IS God.
What difference does it make, other than some such as yours is a cult.
The bottom line is what God means. How His Holy Spirit interprets the word of
God, not man, nor AI.
>
> > > But in Heaven, did Jesus step down to show humility?
> >
> > No, He humbled himself in order to save mankind from their sins, and offer
a
> > way out.
> > It was necessary in order that he could live like man, be tempted and tried
> > in every way as man. To feel what we do, like and eat like we do, Dress
like
> > we do, and when He returned to Heaven he Became the High Priest for all who
> > chose to believe in him, as well as to be a bonafide advocate for us before
> > His and our Heavenly Father
>
> Again, you seem to put Jesus WHILE IN HEAVEN with a subservient role
> to God.
You, following the lead of your god, just love to focus on one being less
than the other and therefore not a ruler. That is the envy of Satan speaking
through you. Not that you are necessarily possessed, but you entertain his
thoughts and doctrines.
>
> Although I agree with you, because Jesus was created and is thus
> lesser than God. (Col 1:15)
That is not the truth, it is your mantra.
“Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:”
(Col 1:15)
Nowhere there does it state he was created.
" Christ is also the firstborn over all creation, or “of every created
being.” What does this mean? Some false teachers suggest that the Lord
Jesus is Himself a created being, that He was the first Person whom God ever
made. Some of them are even willing to go so far as to admit that He is the
greatest creature ever to come from the hand of God. But nothing could be
more directly contrary to the teaching of the word of God.
The expression “firstborn” has at least three different meanings in
Scripture. In Luk 2:7, it is used in a literal sense, where Mary brought
forth her firstborn Son. There it means that the Lord Jesus was the first
Child to whom she gave birth. In Exo 4:22, on the other hand, it is used in a
figurative sense. “Israel is My son, even My firstborn.” In that verse
there is no thought of an actual birth having taken place, but the Lord is
using this word to describe the distinctive place which the nation of Israel
had in His plans and purposes. Finally, in Psa 89:27, the word
“firstborn” is used to designate a place of superiority, of supremacy, of
uniqueness. There God says that He will make David His firstborn, higher than
the kings of the earth. David was actually the last-born son of Jesse
according to the flesh. But God determined to give him a place of unique
supremacy, primacy, and sovereignty.” [UCRT"
>
> > >
> > > When Jesus came to the earth, he did forfeit some of is glory to
> > > become a human male. But when he went back to Heaven, Heb 1:3,4:
> >
> > He forfeited nothing. He set aside his Glory for a time.
>
> Some synonyms of forfeit is "waive, forgo, relinquish, yield,"
> (Dictionary.com)
Scripture says that he set it aside.
As a king would set aside his crown to fight as a man amongst men in a war.
Like King David.
>
>
> > >
> > >
> > > "3. Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of
> > > his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he
> > > had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the
> > > Majesty on high;
> > > 4. Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by
> > > inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they."
> > >
> > > HE GAINED EVEN MORE GLORY THAN HE ORIGINALLY HAD. So there was no
> > > stepping down to show humility, but rather a STEPPING UP.
> >
> > You just contradicted yourself. Plus the scriptures point out that as
God/man
> > he was much better than the angels, s position that is also extended to all
> > Born Again mankind upon our resurrection. As we will be just like Him.
>
> Only if you are going to Heaven. That group is limited to 144,000 and
> it started in the 1st century. The vast majority of mankind will live
> here on the good old earth. As Jesus put it:
That is a totally false and a sent of compiled statements to speak a cult
doctrine that is not to be found in scriptures. Not only that, but this
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