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   Message 94,259 of 96,161   
   Christ Rose to All   
   Re: Athanasian Creed: Jesus coequal to G   
   30 Sep 25 12:50:00   
   
   XPost: alt.religion.christian   
   From: usenet@christrose.news   
      
   1 Corinthians 11:3 does not contradict the truth of Christ’s deity. Paul   
   speaks there about order and role, not essence or nature. Headship does   
   not mean inferiority, otherwise woman would be inferior in essence to   
   man—which Paul denies elsewhere (Galatians 3:28). In the same way, the   
   Son is subject to the Father in role, yet equal in glory and essence.   
      
   Scripture shows this balance clearly:   
      
   – Jesus says, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30, ESV). The Jews   
   understood this as equality with God, which is why they picked up stones   
   to stone Him (John 10:33).   
   – Paul himself affirms Christ’s full deity: “For in him the whole   
   fullness of deity dwells bodily” (Colossians 2:9, ESV).   
   – The Son is eternally begotten, not created, and He shares the Father’s   
   very nature: “He was in the beginning with God. All things were made   
   through him” (John 1:2–3, ESV).   
      
   Your appeal to Hebrews 1:3–4 also proves the opposite of what you claim.   
   The text does not say He gained deity or glory He lacked before, but   
   that His exaltation was the public declaration of what was already true.   
   He is the “radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his   
   nature” (Hebrews 1:3, ESV). That is eternal language—He always was the   
   exact imprint of God’s nature. His enthronement at the right hand   
   demonstrates His rightful authority, not a “promotion.”   
      
   As for “the head of Christ is God” (1 Corinthians 11:3, KJV), this   
   aligns with what Jesus Himself said: “the Father is greater than I”   
   (John 14:28, ESV). That is true of His role in the plan of redemption,   
   not His essence. Just as a husband’s headship over a wife does not make   
   her less human, the Father’s headship does not make the Son less divine.   
      
   That is why Scripture can say both:   
   – “The Word was God” (John 1:1, ESV), and   
   – “The head of Christ is God” (1 Corinthians 11:3, KJV).   
      
   Different truths, but not contradictory. One speaks of essence, the   
   other of order. The Athanasian Creed simply reflects what the Bible has   
   always taught: three coeternal, coequal persons, one God.   
      
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   Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God   
   raised Him from the dead?   
      
   That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death   
   penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death   
   satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John   
   2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your   
   sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.   
      
   On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on   
   the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name   
   of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).   
      
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