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   On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 12:51:23 -0700, Robert wrote:   
      
   > On Sep 28, 2025, Christ Rose wrote   
   > (Message-ID:):   
   >   
   > I addressed the former so it was snipped out of this, I will address   
   > this next section from the word of God, not my words but his.   
   >   
   >   
   >> > What foolishness. That plays right into the hands of the evil one,   
   >> > sowing seeds of doubt. Doubt that would cause confusion and further   
   >> > weaken the weak as that gives credence to the power of Satan and   
   >> > weakens the faith of babes.   
   >>   
   >> idem.   
   >>   
   >> > Some foolish doubters even claim that the works of God disappeared   
   >> > after the book of Galatians, and it was written before the books to   
   >> > the Corinthian by several years, and it is in the books of   
   >> > Corinthians where the gifts of the Holy Spirit are spoken of as well   
   >> > as ministries. And Pau; went tp the Galatiams before his missionary   
   >> > journey too the Corinthians and elsewhere as well.   
   >>   
   >> idem.   
   >>   
   >> > 1Co 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to   
   >> > speak with tongues.   
   >>   
   >> When tongues were being spoken, they were not to be forbidden. That   
   >> says nothing at all which indicates tongues must continue until Christ   
   >> returns.   
   >>   
   >> 1 Corinthians 13 just said where there are tongues, they shall cease.   
   >>   
   >> “...as for tongues, they will cease...” (1 Corinthians 13:8–10, ESV)   
   >>   
   >> That's in the middle voice. It means they cease of themselves. Nothing   
   >> had to act on them to make them cease. By contrast, gifts like prophecy   
   >> are made to cease by the appearing of that which is perfect.   
   >>   
   >> > Just an example of the proof that their doctrines are wrong. That   
   >> > they teach another Gospel.   
   >>   
   >> idem. The Bible plainly states that where there are tongues, they shall   
   >> cease. That means they stop of themselves and are not made to stop by   
   >> the coming of that which is perfect.   
   >   
   > ******************************   
   >   
   > 1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they   
   > shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be   
   > knowledge,   
   > it shall vanish away.   
   >   
   > 1Co 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.   
   >   
   > 1Co 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in   
   > part shall be done away.   
   >   
   > ******************************   
   > That which is perfect is to come, Speaks of the real Christ and his   
   > return to the earth for the millennial rule. At which point these gifts   
   > are no longer needed as he rules the earth directly for a time.   
   >   
   > Until them all the Gifts of the Spirit of God are needed, an Paul   
   > depended highly on them for the sake of a solid grounding for those that   
   > believed in Christ Jesus that their faith not be shaken and doubt rooted   
   > out.   
   >   
   > 1Co 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus   
   > Christ, and him crucified.   
   >   
   > 1Co 2:3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much   
   > trembling.   
   >   
   > 1Co 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of   
   > man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:   
   >   
   > 1Co 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in   
   > the power of God.   
   >   
   > IOW not with commentaries, fancy words, and Paul was very highly   
   > educated, but in the demonstration of the Holy Spirit and His Power.   
   >   
   > The demonstrations of the power of the Holy Spirit confirmed the   
   > teachings of those that taught and shared Jesus with others. So that the   
   > fisherman, as well as a tax man, and others of High education, when they   
   > taught of God, the power of the Holy Spirit was the same through all of   
   > them.   
   >   
   >   
   >>   
   >> > 1Jn 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them:   
   >> > because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.   
   >> >   
   >> > 1Jn 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and   
   >> > the world heareth them.   
   >> >   
   >> > 1Jn 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not   
   >> > of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the   
   >> > spirit of error.   
   >>   
   >> Notice, when John explained how to discern the spirits to see who is a   
   >> child of God and who is a child of the devil, he didn't say a single   
   >> thing about whether or not someone believes sign gifts continue until   
   >> Christ returns.   
   >>   
   >> Yet "Robert" cites his words as if it proved his point. Nothing in 1   
   >> John even hints at the idea that the child of God must believe sign   
   >> gifts continue, or that he must exercise those gifts or promote those   
   >> gifts.   
   >   
   > 1Jn 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that   
   > we should love one another.   
   >   
   > 1Jn 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother.   
   > And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his   
   > brother's righteous.   
   >   
   > 1Jn 3:13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.   
   >   
   > 1Jn 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we   
   > love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.   
   >   
   > 1Jn 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no   
   > murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.   
   >   
   > Why limit the outward teaching and works of the spirit to one book?   
   >   
   > Jesus said, as recorded by this same John, Jhn 14:12 Verily, verily, I   
   > say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do   
   > also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my   
   > Father.   
   >   
   > And as taught by Pau all the gifts of the spirit are for the body of   
   > Christ to edify, uplift, them all in all the various facets of them.   
   >   
   > So if you doubt it, then just say so. Of course you will not find any   
   > scripture that supports doubt and disbelief. Scripture clearly points   
   > out that God will find no pleasure in those people. After all it is him   
   > that one should strive to please.   
   >   
   >   
   >>   
   >> > Those in whom the Holy Spirit does not dwell is not of God.   
   >>   
   >> And the fruit of the Spirit is:   
   >>   
   >> “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience,   
   >> kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control;   
   >> against such things there is no law.” (Galatians 5:22–23, ESV)   
   >>   
   >> Notice, the evidence of the Spirit dwelling in believers today, is the   
   >> fruit of the Spirit, not signs and wonders. That ship already sailed   
   >> and fulfilled its purpose during the lifetime of the apostles (Hebrews   
   >> 2:3-4).   
   >   
   > Heb 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at   
      
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