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   Christ Rose to All   
   Re: Athanasian Creed: Jesus coequal to G   
   02 Oct 25 22:14:49   
   
   XPost: alt.religion.christian   
   From: usenet@christrose.news   
      
   You keep repeating your same dumb, refuted, brain-washing lies over and   
   over and over again, without any convincing refutation of these facts:   
      
   The "contradictions" you list only arise because you confuse role with   
   essence. Scripture consistently distinguishes between the two without   
   ever denying Christ’s deity. Let’s look at your points directly from the   
   Bible:   
      
   The head of Christ is God (1 Corinthians 11:3).   
      
   This speaks of role. In the same verse, Paul says the head of woman is   
   man. That does not make woman inferior in nature—Paul denies that in   
   Galatians 3:28. So likewise, Christ being subject to the Father in role   
   does not mean He is less than God in essence.   
      
   “My Father is greater than I” (John 14:28).   
      
   Jesus speaks this while on earth in His humbled state (Philippians   
   2:6–8). He voluntarily took the form of a servant. In His divine nature,   
   He is equal with the Father; in His incarnate role, He subjected Himself.   
      
   Hebrews 1:3–4 “having become superior to angels.”   
      
   Verse 3 already said He is “the radiance of the glory of God and the   
   exact imprint of His nature.” That is eternal. Verse 4 describes not His   
   gaining deity, but His exaltation as the victorious Son in His humanity   
   after the cross (compare Philippians 2:9–11).   
      
   “The Word was God” (John 1:1).   
      
   This cannot mean “a god.” To begin, it doesn't say "a god" it says   
   "God". And no reliable translation deliberately adds words where they   
   change the meaning of the doctrine, just to make it flow smoothly in   
   English. John 1:3 says, “All things were made through Him, and without   
   Him was not any thing made that was made.” If Christ Himself were a   
   created being, He would fall in the category of “things made.” John   
   excludes that—everything created was made through Him.   
      
   “No one can see Me and live” (Exodus 33:20).   
      
   This refers to God’s unveiled glory. But in Christ, God veiled Himself   
   in human flesh so that men could see Him and live (John 1:14, John   
   14:9). That’s why Paul says, “in him the whole fullness of deity dwells   
   bodily” (Colossians 2:9).   
      
   Christ praying to the Father (Luke 22:42).   
      
   This does not prove He is not God. It shows the reality of the   
   incarnation: the Son, having taken true humanity, prays to the Father.   
   Distinction of persons is not contradiction. The Son is not the Father,   
   but both are equally God (John 1:1; John 20:28).   
      
   The Son subjected to the Father (1 Corinthians 15:28).   
      
   That does not mean inferiority of nature. It means that when redemption   
   is complete, the Son hands the kingdom to the Father so “God may be all   
   in all.” It is the perfect harmony of the Godhead.   
      
   Your reasoning requires that if Christ is subject to the Father, He   
   cannot be God. But that collapses Paul’s analogy in 1 Corinthians 11:3.   
   By your logic, a wife must be inferior in essence to her husband—yet   
   Paul denies that.   
      
   The truth Scripture presents is consistent:   
      
   – The Son is distinct from the Father.   
   – The Son is equal in essence with the Father.   
   – The Son takes a subordinate role in redemption.   
      
   That’s why the Jews sought to stone Him—because He made Himself equal   
   with God (John 5:18; John 10:33). And Thomas confessed Him plainly: “My   
   Lord and my God!” (John 20:28).   
      
   Your approach strains texts into contradictions, but when you keep role   
   and essence distinct, Scripture fits together perfectly.   
      
   --   
   Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God   
   raised Him from the dead?   
      
   That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death   
   penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death   
   satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John   
   2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your   
   sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.   
      
   On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on   
   the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name   
   of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).   
      
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