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|    Re: Athanasian Creed: Jesus coequal to G    |
|    02 Oct 25 22:14:49    |
      XPost: alt.religion.christian       From: usenet@christrose.news              You keep repeating your same dumb, refuted, brain-washing lies over and       over and over again, without any convincing refutation of these facts:              The "contradictions" you list only arise because you confuse role with       essence. Scripture consistently distinguishes between the two without       ever denying Christ’s deity. Let’s look at your points directly from the       Bible:              The head of Christ is God (1 Corinthians 11:3).              This speaks of role. In the same verse, Paul says the head of woman is       man. That does not make woman inferior in nature—Paul denies that in       Galatians 3:28. So likewise, Christ being subject to the Father in role       does not mean He is less than God in essence.              “My Father is greater than I” (John 14:28).              Jesus speaks this while on earth in His humbled state (Philippians       2:6–8). He voluntarily took the form of a servant. In His divine nature,       He is equal with the Father; in His incarnate role, He subjected Himself.              Hebrews 1:3–4 “having become superior to angels.”              Verse 3 already said He is “the radiance of the glory of God and the       exact imprint of His nature.” That is eternal. Verse 4 describes not His       gaining deity, but His exaltation as the victorious Son in His humanity       after the cross (compare Philippians 2:9–11).              “The Word was God” (John 1:1).              This cannot mean “a god.” To begin, it doesn't say "a god" it says       "God". And no reliable translation deliberately adds words where they       change the meaning of the doctrine, just to make it flow smoothly in       English. John 1:3 says, “All things were made through Him, and without       Him was not any thing made that was made.” If Christ Himself were a       created being, He would fall in the category of “things made.” John       excludes that—everything created was made through Him.              “No one can see Me and live” (Exodus 33:20).              This refers to God’s unveiled glory. But in Christ, God veiled Himself       in human flesh so that men could see Him and live (John 1:14, John       14:9). That’s why Paul says, “in him the whole fullness of deity dwells       bodily” (Colossians 2:9).              Christ praying to the Father (Luke 22:42).              This does not prove He is not God. It shows the reality of the       incarnation: the Son, having taken true humanity, prays to the Father.       Distinction of persons is not contradiction. The Son is not the Father,       but both are equally God (John 1:1; John 20:28).              The Son subjected to the Father (1 Corinthians 15:28).              That does not mean inferiority of nature. It means that when redemption       is complete, the Son hands the kingdom to the Father so “God may be all       in all.” It is the perfect harmony of the Godhead.              Your reasoning requires that if Christ is subject to the Father, He       cannot be God. But that collapses Paul’s analogy in 1 Corinthians 11:3.       By your logic, a wife must be inferior in essence to her husband—yet       Paul denies that.              The truth Scripture presents is consistent:              – The Son is distinct from the Father.       – The Son is equal in essence with the Father.       – The Son takes a subordinate role in redemption.              That’s why the Jews sought to stone Him—because He made Himself equal       with God (John 5:18; John 10:33). And Thomas confessed Him plainly: “My       Lord and my God!” (John 20:28).              Your approach strains texts into contradictions, but when you keep role       and essence distinct, Scripture fits together perfectly.              --       Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God       raised Him from the dead?              That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death       penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death       satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John       2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your       sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.              On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on       the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name       of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).              https://christrose.news/salvation              To automatically receive daily Bible teaching updates with colorful       images and website formatting, subscribe to my feed in a client like       Thunderbird:              https://www.christrose.news/feeds/posts/default              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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