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   production, and using alternative blood salvage and hemodilution   
   methods. This comprehensive approach, also known as patient blood   
   management, involves careful planning, advanced surgical tools,   
   medications to increase blood cell production, and techniques to   
   monitor patients closely to ensure positive health outcomes without   
   donor blood."   
   >   
   >Otherwise, i don't see what that has to do with the subject.   
   >   
   >   
   >>  When God's   
   >> judgments come, what happens to the innocent children?   
   >   
   >That's a good question.  In the bible, they get drowned in floods, or   
   >dashed against rocks, or the firstborn slain by angels, or murdered by   
   >Herod.  God is no respecter of men, let alone babies.   
      
   God has His reasons for permitting such things, and human suffering.   
   But first read on.   
   >   
   >You should be explaining that, not me.   
      
   Will do below.   
      
   >   
   >>   
   >> God gave us children to be responsible for. That is a serious   
   >> responsibility that can't be ignored, like many do today. Thus the   
   >> small children go the way of the parents. Notice God;s judgments in   
   >> the past:   
   >>   
   >> " 4.  and the Lord said to him, "Go through the midst of the city,   
   >> through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the   
   >> men who sigh and cry over all the abominations that are done within   
   >> it.''   
   >>  5.  To the others He said in my hearing, "Go after him through the   
   >> city and kill; do not let your eye spare, nor have any pity.   
   >>  6.  "Utterly slay old and young men, maidens and little children and   
   >> women; but do not come near anyone on whom is the mark; and begin at   
   >> My sanctuary.'' So they began with the elders who were before the   
   >> temple."   
   >>   
   >> In verse 6, why slay innocent children? Because God holds the parents   
   >> responsible for them.   
   >   
   >That doesn't make any sense.  GOd holds parents responsible, so he   
   >punishes them by killing the babies?   
      
   God punishes them for their conduct. And for not caring for their   
   infants. But there is something Bible opposers don't bring out. THE   
   RESURRECTION. Both the wicked parents and their offspring will likely   
   be resurrected. And they will have another chance to make things   
   right. As the Scripture reads:   
      
   -- International English   
   Acts 24:15  I have the same belief in God that these Jews have--the   
   hope that all people, good and bad, will be raised from death.   
      
   And just for the record, contrary to the churches beliefs, the Bible   
   DOES NOT teach of a hellfire place. God tortures no one, esp with the   
   worse pain imaginable; fire. The Bible has a lot of symbolism. More on   
   this if you wish.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >> >> If you are a Christian, would you curse God if it meant saving your   
   >> >> life? Your child's life?   
   >> >   
   >> >I'm an atheist, and there's no reason to curse someone who probably   
   >> >doesn't exist.   
   >>   
   >> I see. Thank you for that admission. Were your parents atheists also?   
   >> Or did you develop that later on?   
   >   
   >Thanks for your "admission" to being a JW.   
      
   I hope you were not offended. Maybe I shouldn't have used the word   
   "admission". Change it to "information".   
      
   >   
   >   
   >> Even if I wasn't any religion, I would still not believe in evolution.   
   >   
   >Stay on track.  We aren't going down that diversionary rabbit hole.  Not   
   >today.   
   >   
   >(snip)   
   >   
   >> Don't get me started on the pseudo-science of evolution.   
   >   
   >That's not an argument you're ever going to win.   
      
   Did you read what you snipped? I think I make a very good mathematical   
   point to reason on. But I will stop it here if you wish.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >> >The most common legal doctrine is that, eg, if someone is pointing a gun   
   >> >to your head and ordering you to sign over your fortune, anything signed   
   >> >under that kind of duress is void.  I'd expect the putative gods of most   
   >> >religions would take that view, but some that some gods would take the   
   >> >curse at face value and expect you to die instead.  Looks like your God   
   >> >is in the latter group, right?   
   >>   
   >> Wrong! What's worth more, your life or your money?   
   >   
   >Isn't that kind of what I said?   
   >Do you mean Jehovah would let you skate if it were do or die?   
      
   Right now God let's everyone "skate". But that will soon change.   
      
   >   
   >Does he overlook the extraordinary mortal duress you were under when you   
   >supposedly made the decision to comply or not?   
      
   God sees an individual's actions, if He wants to. Contrary to the   
   churches' teachings, God doesn't always know everything.   
      
   >   
   >> Even today there is a gizmo that reads your credit cards, and steals   
   >   
   >(snip another tangential rabbit hole)   
      
   OK, just thought you might be interested.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >> >To answer your hypothetical question, though, yes and yes.   
   >> I'm sure you would, based on your beliefs now.   
   >   
   >I'm an atheist.  I don't need to have beliefs, thanks for asking.   
   >   
      
   Well, you believe you are an atheist, that's a belief is it not?   
      
      
   >   
   >> If you have any Bible questions, don't hesitate to ask. And have a   
   >> good one.   
   >   
   >Oh, all right.   
   >   
   >Can a man see Jehovah and live?   
      
   No, the Creator of all the suns in the universe is too magnificent for   
   our flesh. Thus He is merciful to us by not appearing as the spirit   
   being He is.   
      
   >Would welding goggles help?   
      
   What's their melting temp?   
      
   >Has anyone ever died from seeing Jehovah?   
      
   No, because He never appeared to a human before. If you are thinking   
   of Jesus, he is NOT God.   
   >   
   >   
   >Thanks for your reply.  You have a good one too, peace out.   
      
   Peace always.   
      
   Sincerely James   
   "Can Peacekeeping Efforts Create a Peaceful World?   
   Get the Answer". See jw.org (10/08/2025)   
      
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