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   From: .robert@mu.way   
      
   On Oct 8, 2025, KK wrote   
   (Message-ID: <10c527s$1eb5i$1@dont-email.me>):   
      
   > On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 20:24:53 -0500, Christ Rose wrote:   
   >   
   > > Judges 12: Christ the Perfect Judge   
      
   Yes, Jesus Christ is the perfect judge, but what has that to do with   
   understanding Judges 12?   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > Introduction   
   > >   
   > > Judges 12 gives a sobering glimpse into what happens when pride governs   
   > > judgment instead of humility and unity under God. The chapter opens with   
   > > conflict between Jephthah and the men of Ephraim, who accused him of   
   > > excluding them from battle (Judges 12:1–2). Their wounded pride led to   
   > > civil war and the slaughter of forty-two thousand of their own brethren   
   > > (Judges 12:4–6). It is a tragic scene where words become weapons,as a   
      
   Pride? Pride of what sort? It was more like Jealousy. “To the victor goes   
   the spoils”.   
   I never saw any or your series on the book of Judges, however, had you, then   
   you would have realized that the Ephraimites did the same exact thing to   
   Gideon. The Ephraimites were trouble makers. Words did not become weapons,   
   they were identifiers of a people. V’s 5-6   
      
   Jdg 12:5 And the Gileadites took the passages of Jordan before the   
   Ephraimites: and it was so, that when those Ephraimites which were escaped   
   said, Let me go over; that the men of Gilead said unto him, Art thou an   
   Ephraimite? If he said, Nay;   
      
   Jdg 12:6 Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth:   
   for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took him, and slew   
   him at the passages of Jordan: and there fell at that time of the Ephraimites   
   forty and two thousand.   
      
   What does this say? That the Gileadites knew that the Ephraimites could not   
   pronounce the word Shibboleth properly and that they pronounced it as   
   Sibboleth, and as the Gileadites had control of the river crossing they used   
   that word so as to judge who was an Ephraimite. Thus their denials of being   
   from Ephraim gave themselves away.   
      
   The above I speak to AI Rosie, I do not know if KK quoted the whole post so I   
   am just replying to what I see. And how this all relates scripturally to   
   Jesus the Anointed One being the perfect Judge as the reason for this book to   
   be written is beyond me.   
      
   >   
   > 1 And the men of Ephraim were called together, and went northward, and   
   > said to Jephthah, Why have you passed over to fight against the sons of   
   > Ammon, and you have not called on us to go with you? We will burn your   
   > house over you with fire.   
   > 2 And Jephthah said to them, I have been a man of war, my people and I,   
   > having great strife with the sons of Ammon. And I called you, and you did   
   > not save me out of their hands.   
   > 3 And seeing that you did not save us, I put my life in my hand and   
   > passed   
   > over against the Ammonites, and Jehovah delivered them into my hand. And   
   > why have you come up to me today to fight with me?   
   > 4 And Jephthah gathered all the men of Gilead, and fought with Ephraim.   
   > And the men of Gilead struck Ephraim, because they said, You Gileadites   
   > are fugitives from Ephraim, in the midst of Ephraim, in the midst of   
   > Manasseh.   
   > 5 And Gilead captured the fords of the Jordan before Ephraim. And it   
   > happened when the fugitives from Ephraim said, Let me pass over, then the   
   > men of Gilead said to him, You are an Ephraimite. And he said, No.   
   >   
   > After seeing what you did to chapter 11 I had to take a look here. And   
   > then post the five verses here to clarify the truth of the matter.   
   >   
   > J was threatened in V1 and lied about them not being called to fight as J   
   > declared to them in verse 2 So in verse 3 he told them flat out that he   
   > put his life on the line, and that Jehovah delivered them all into his   
   > hands. Then in Verse 4 because of the Ephraimites declaring war upon them   
   > and sought to kill him, he did what he had to do and as a result J judged   
   > Israel for six years until he died.   
      
   KK, I think you made a mistake here in the way you phrased this, at least in   
   the 1st sentence. The way you wrote it would seem like J lied about the   
   Ephraimites not being called to fight, when that was actually what the men of   
   Ephraim did. That being that they lied about themselves being called to   
   fight. However, the scripture you quoted bore that out so I am assuming you   
   just made a mistake as mentioned above.   
   >   
   >   
   > Obviously Jehovah was with him, and honored him.   
      
   Yes, and even Hebrews 11:32 bore that out, that in spite of some issues in   
   their lives (of the men mentioned there) that these were all honored as being   
   men of great faith. Which effectively states that God uses men even if they   
   have warts. Just like Abraham and King David, who both erred greatly in their   
   lives, sinning, and making poor choices, but God knew their hearts, their   
   intents, and Jesus said that King David was a man after Gods own heart.   
   Thereby showing us all, that he looks at each of us in the same manner, thus   
   we need to keep our eyes focused on Him and not our sins. A super example of   
   that is found in James.   
      
   Jas 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men   
   liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.   
      
   Jas 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is   
   like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.   
      
   Jas 1:7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the   
   Lord.   
      
   Jas 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.   
      
   Jas 1:9 Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted:   
      
   Forgive me for going off topic here, but I love this passage so much. It   
   paints a picture of how God deals and considers us, along with it, how to   
   receive the gift of wisdoms which he desires to give us extremely generously.   
   Especially because he does not give us a boot to the derrière because we   
   screwed up that last time he gifted us. But By Faith, ask without wavering,   
   especially without negative thinkings about ourselves that we messed it up so   
   badly that we would entertain thoughts like we are not worthy therefor we   
   will not get it this time. Naw, we enter before the throne of God wearing the   
   robe of righteousness that he gives those who are Born Again and have become   
   new creatures in and through Christ Jesus.   
      
   He also warns the waffler, V8, and uplifts the lowly ones V9 over the   
   intelligencia of v8/   
      
   >   
   > It is sad to see your shameful opinions on the matter. No worries, I won't   
   > be bothering you anymore regarding your postings on the Word of God. On   
   > the few things I read that you posted I can see little value to them as it   
   > seems you do not even read what you post about.   
   >   
   > > simple pronunciation—“Shibboleth”—determines life or death (Judges   
      
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