From: none@none.non   
      
   On Oct 7, 2025, Creon wrote   
   (Message-ID: ):   
      
   > At Fri, 03 Oct 2025 08:49:30 -0700, None  wrote:   
   >   
   > > On Oct 2, 2025, KK wrote   
   > > (Message-ID: <10bn7ba$1bgkm$1@dont-email.me>):   
   > >   
   > > >   
   > > > Good thing, he never shows scripture showing that the Gifts of the   
   > > > Spirit are dead in the water, at least not for christians.   
   > >   
   > > He/she has not a leg to stand on, except perhaps the leg of doubt and   
   > > disbelief.   
   > >   
   > > “But when the complete and perfect (total) comes, the incomplete and   
   > > imperfect will vanish away (become antiquated, void, and   
   > > superseded).†(1Co 13:10)   
   > >   
   > > At the time of the writing of the scripture there was already in   
   > > existence, the Church of ekklesia, the Holy Spirit, and the word of   
   > > God with signs and wonders. Some would try to deceive others in   
   > > saying that the NT was not fully written yet, however, the word that   
   > > we have is perfect only in spiritual concert with God who dwells   
   > > within the heart of the believer. It is well known that the   
   > > translation from the original languages is not perfect which is why   
   > > we must understand in many cases what the original languages meant as   
   > > well as their vernacular of that day.   
   > >   
   > > On TOP of all that, the scriptures state that there is a book yet to   
   > > be written and revealed that in itself would destroy that   
   > > understanding, especially as it is written after the rapture.   
   >   
   > This just got interesting.   
   >   
   > I'm not sure the following verses from Revelation support   
   > that idea. Do you have some insight to share?   
      
   Perhaps. Given the understanding that the Great Tribulation that the Old   
   Testament, and Jesus spoke of is limited to a seven year period, which is   
   broken up into two time periods, of no one knows the day of its beginning but   
   all will know of its ending. And in this time period the Great and Terrible   
   Day of the Lord will occur which is written of in the OT. The events of that   
   time are listed in the order of each event and some events work in concert   
   with others occurring at the same time. Might sound a bit confusing but it is   
   all written in the Book of the Revelation. This is a synopsis of sorts of   
   what is mentioned in the books of the OT.   
      
   And yes, it has to do with Rev 7-11. I hope the following will not be too   
   lengthy, but there is a lost associated to these things one these things   
   being the snatching away the Body of Christ, the ekklesia, some call the   
   Church. Not to be confused with Religions of Christianity, but those within   
   such things who are Born Again Believers. This is commonly called The   
   Rapture. This is part of the background that leads up to the understanding of   
   those verses.   
      
   Jesus said, in regards to the snatching away, to “Watch ye therefore, and   
   pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that   
   shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.” (Luk 21:36). The   
   full understanding of that is lengthy, the short understanding is referenced   
   in the story of the 10 virgins waiting for the bridegroom, five will be taken   
   and five left behind.   
      
   So it will be in the day that the Lord comes in the clouds to raise the dead   
   in Christ, and those that are alive to be with Him forever. That is the day   
   that also sudden destruction will fall on the face of this earth. Such a   
   massive scale will have never been seen before.   
      
   When the dust settles, those that are left behind who said they were   
   christians, but were in name only, will know they were left behind, and why.   
   Their hearts full of woe, doom, and gloom regarding their future. As if all   
   hope of salvation is lost. Many will just turn to a hatred and cursing of God   
   pit of bitterness and resentment, which just goes to show them that they were   
   playing the role all along but never knew him. Others will be begging and   
   pleading that they not be lost to eternal damnation. For those people as well   
   as all the non-believers who suddenly realize that the Word of God was   
   correct all along, that it was not some sort of religious game to be played.   
   That things like water baptism never saved anyone. Then it is, during the   
   Seventh Trumpet The book is revealed, and revealed to all who have the ears   
   to hear.   
      
   Why is it sweet to the mouth and bitter to the belly?   
      
   “Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall   
   castsomeof you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have   
   tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a   
   crown of life.He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto   
   the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.”   
   (Rev 2:10-11)   
      
   There in is what is sweet to the mouth, for salvation is still available, but   
   to the belly it is bitter since one will have to believe to the bitter end,   
   which is limited to ten days. But can happen sooner once imprisoned. Thus   
   they have to shed their blood and endure to the end, those that recant, such   
   as Islam would have you do in order to spare ones life, also recant Jesus and   
   the work he did for us.   
      
   There is no way at this time that this is all that is the book, or that the   
   book even states that with certainty. Yet if is something that has been   
   impressed upon me for years. And I have seen nothing to discredit it.   
      
   If it was a certainty I am sure many weasels would take it for granted and   
   say that they can life a life in complete sin, fulfilling the pleasures of   
   their body counting on a “second chance” but there are major drawbacks to   
   that type of thinking, One being that there will be a major world wide   
   nuclear war with the killing of millions at a minimum, Yes, even here in   
   America, and should you survive that with all the issues of radiation   
   affecting your health, the food products and on and on, plus the torturing of   
   “christians” to get them to renounce their beliefs even if it is only for   
   a ten day period, one would ne a fool to think they will have a chance to   
   stand up for God until death, when at that time who is there left to support   
   them spiritually of physically.   
      
   That is part of my understanding. Personally I would far rather follow the   
   advice of Jesus to pray that I be counted worthy to escape all those things.   
   Especially when it is a given that the 144,000 young men who are anointed by   
   God to share his word to the people, especially focusing on the Jew will all   
   be martyred during that time.   
      
   >   
   >   
   > Also -- speaking of the construction of the Bible -- I've   
   > read in MacGregor's _The Bible in the Making_ that this particular   
   > apocalypse was added to the Canon with some controversy.   
      
      
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