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   From: Kingdom.Kid@kk.n3w   
      
   On Wed, 08 Oct 2025 13:26:23 -0700, Robert wrote:   
      
   > On Oct 8, 2025, KK wrote (Message-ID: <10c527s$1eb5i$1@dont-email.me>):   
   >   
   >> On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 20:24:53 -0500, Christ Rose wrote:   
   >>   
   >> > Judges 12: Christ the Perfect Judge   
   >   
   > Yes, Jesus Christ is the perfect judge, but what has that to do with   
   > understanding Judges 12?   
   >> >   
   >> >   
   >> > Introduction   
   >> >   
   >> > Judges 12 gives a sobering glimpse into what happens when pride   
   >> > governs judgment instead of humility and unity under God. The chapter   
   >> > opens with conflict between Jephthah and the men of Ephraim, who   
   >> > accused him of excluding them from battle (Judges 12:1–2). Their   
   >> > wounded pride led to civil war and the slaughter of forty-two   
   >> > thousand of their own brethren (Judges 12:4–6). It is a tragic scene   
   >> > where words become weapons,as a   
   >   
   > Pride? Pride of what sort? It was more like Jealousy. “To the victor   
   > goes the spoils”.   
   > I never saw any or your series on the book of Judges, however, had you,   
   > then you would have realized that the Ephraimites did the same exact   
   > thing to Gideon. The Ephraimites were trouble makers. Words did not   
   > become weapons, they were identifiers of a people. V’s 5-6   
   >   
   > Jdg 12:5 And the Gileadites took the passages of Jordan before the   
   > Ephraimites: and it was so, that when those Ephraimites which were   
   > escaped said, Let me go over; that the men of Gilead said unto him, Art   
   > thou an Ephraimite? If he said, Nay;   
   >   
   > Jdg 12:6 Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said   
   > Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took   
   > him, and slew him at the passages of Jordan: and there fell at that time   
   > of the Ephraimites forty and two thousand.   
   >   
   > What does this say? That the Gileadites knew that the Ephraimites could   
   > not pronounce the word Shibboleth properly and that they pronounced it   
   > as Sibboleth, and as the Gileadites had control of the river crossing   
   > they used that word so as to judge who was an Ephraimite. Thus their   
   > denials of being from Ephraim gave themselves away.   
   >   
   > The above I speak to AI Rosie, I do not know if KK quoted the whole post   
   > so I am just replying to what I see. And how this all relates   
   > scripturally to Jesus the Anointed One being the perfect Judge as the   
   > reason for this book to be written is beyond me.   
      
   I didn't. That was a good point. I don't know what translation you were   
   using but it certainly seems to clarify V6.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >> 1 And the men of Ephraim were called together, and went northward, and   
   >> said to Jephthah, Why have you passed over to fight against the sons of   
   >> Ammon, and you have not called on us to go with you? We will burn your   
   >> house over you with fire.   
   >> 2 And Jephthah said to them, I have been a man of war, my people and I,   
   >> having great strife with the sons of Ammon. And I called you, and you   
   >> did not save me out of their hands.   
   >> 3 And seeing that you did not save us, I put my life in my hand and   
   >> passed over against the Ammonites, and Jehovah delivered them into my   
   >> hand. And why have you come up to me today to fight with me?   
   >> 4 And Jephthah gathered all the men of Gilead, and fought with Ephraim.   
   >> And the men of Gilead struck Ephraim, because they said, You Gileadites   
   >> are fugitives from Ephraim, in the midst of Ephraim, in the midst of   
   >> Manasseh.   
   >> 5 And Gilead captured the fords of the Jordan before Ephraim. And it   
   >> happened when the fugitives from Ephraim said, Let me pass over, then   
   >> the men of Gilead said to him, You are an Ephraimite. And he said, No.   
   >>   
   >> After seeing what you did to chapter 11 I had to take a look here. And   
   >> then post the five verses here to clarify the truth of the matter.   
   >>   
   >> J was threatened in V1 and lied about them not being called to fight as   
   >> J declared to them in verse 2 So in verse 3 he told them flat out that   
   >> he put his life on the line, and that Jehovah delivered them all into   
   >> his hands. Then in Verse 4 because of the Ephraimites declaring war   
   >> upon them and sought to kill him, he did what he had to do and as a   
   >> result J judged Israel for six years until he died.   
   >   
   > KK, I think you made a mistake here in the way you phrased this, at   
   > least in the 1st sentence. The way you wrote it would seem like J lied   
   > about the Ephraimites not being called to fight, when that was actually   
   > what the men of Ephraim did. That being that they lied about themselves   
   > being called to fight. However, the scripture you quoted bore that out   
   > so I am assuming you just made a mistake as mentioned above.   
      
   Yes, I didn't phrase it properly. Don't know what I was thinking at the   
   time.   
      
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Obviously Jehovah was with him, and honored him.   
   >   
   > Yes, and even Hebrews 11:32 bore that out, that in spite of some issues   
   > in their lives (of the men mentioned there) that these were all honored   
   > as being men of great faith. Which effectively states that God uses men   
   > even if they have warts. Just like Abraham and King David, who both   
   > erred greatly in their lives, sinning, and making poor choices, but God   
   > knew their hearts, their intents, and Jesus said that King David was a   
   > man after Gods own heart. Thereby showing us all, that he looks at each   
   > of us in the same manner, thus we need to keep our eyes focused on Him   
   > and not our sins. A super example of that is found in James.   
   >   
   > Jas 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to   
   > all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.   
   >   
   > Jas 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth   
   > is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.   
   >   
   > Jas 1:7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of   
   > the Lord.   
   >   
   > Jas 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.   
   >   
   > Jas 1:9 Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted:   
   >   
   > Forgive me for going off topic here, but I love this passage so much. It   
   > paints a picture of how God deals and considers us, along with it, how   
   > to receive the gift of wisdoms which he desires to give us extremely   
   > generously.   
   > Especially because he does not give us a boot to the derrière because we   
   > screwed up that last time he gifted us. But By Faith, ask without   
   > wavering, especially without negative thinkings about ourselves that we   
   > messed it up so badly that we would entertain thoughts like we are not   
   > worthy therefor we will not get it this time. Naw, we enter before the   
   > throne of God wearing the robe of righteousness that he gives those who   
   > are Born Again and have become new creatures in and through Christ   
   > Jesus.   
   >   
      
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