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"Sincerely", "soley from the Bible" and
"Honestly is my middle name"
James wrote:
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> On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 13:45:01 -0500, Christ Rose
> wrote:
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>> Thu, 09 Oct 2025 10:45:17 -0400
>>
>> "Sincerely", "soley from the Bible" and
>> "Honestly is my middle name"
>> James wrote:
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>>> On Thu, 2 Oct 2025 22:19:39 -0500, Christ Rose
>>> wrote:
>>>
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>>>> Tue, 30 Sep 2025 14:26:16 -0400
>>>>
>>>> "Sincerely", "soley from the Bible" and
>>>> "Honestly is my middle name"
>>>> James wrote:
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>>>>
>>>> Here comes brain-washer to repeat his same stupid, refuted arguments
>>>> over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and
>>>> over again.
>>>
>>> And a good Christian morning to you too!
>>>
>>> Until these doctrines sink in, yes, repetition is needed.
>>>
>>> The 1st century
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Bible truth: Jesus died on a stauros, NOT a pagan cross.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Quit trying to start a fight over this same stupid, refuted argument.
>>>>
>>>> We know from history that Romans attached a patibulum (cross beam) to
>>>> the staurus (pole), forming a T or t shaped "cross":
>>>>
>>>> 1. Plautus (c. 254–184 BC) – *Miles Gloriosus* 359–360
>>>>
>>>> "Patibulum ferat per urbem, deinde affigatur cruci" (Plautus,
>>>> *Miles Gloriosus* 359–360).
>>>>
>>>> ("Let him carry the patibulum through the city, then be fastened
>>>> to the cross").
>>>>
>>>> This shows that the condemned carried the patibulum to the site of
>>>> execution, consistent with Gospel accounts (John 19:17).
>>>>
>>>> 2. Seneca the Younger (c. 4 BC–AD 65) – *De Vita Beata* 19.3
>>>>
>>>> "Aliter patiuntur bestiarum ictus aut patibulo suffiguntur"
>>>> (Seneca, *De Vita Beata* 19.3)
>>>>
>>>> ("They suffer blows from beasts or are fastened to the
>>>> patibulum.")
>>>>
>>>> Seneca mentions criminals being fastened to the patibulum, indicating it
>>>> was a physical beam.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Justinian’s Digest (compiled AD 533)
>>>>
>>>> "Qui patibulo adfixus est" *Digest* 48.19.28 §15.
>>>>
>>>> ("He who has been affixed to the patibulum.")
>>>>
>>>> This shows legal terminology acknowledging the patibulum as part of
>>>> crucifixion.
>>>>
>>>> These sources confirm that Roman crucifixion involved the patibulum,
>>>> which the condemned carried and was affixed to, forming the traditional
>>>> cross structure (T or †). The concept of outstretched arms (e.g., John
>>>> 21:18) assumes this form.
>>>
>>> Those uninspired writings are misleading you. My Scriptural INSPIRED
>>> writings (2 Tim 3:16) use the word "staurus" in the 1st century.
>>> Notice:
>>>
>>> "AI Overview
>>> The 1st-century Greek word for "cross" is stauros (sta????), which
>>> primarily means an upright stake or pole, rather than the two-beamed
>>> structure commonly depicted today. While stauros is often translated
>>> as "cross" in English Bibles, its original meaning refers to the
>>> simple implement of execution, which could be a stake, pole, or tree,
>>> and was not necessarily a cross-shaped object."
>>>
>>> In other words, that is like calling a bus a car. Nothing is stopping
>>> you from doing that, and both are motor vehicles, but a bus is not a
>>> car. And a stauros is not a cross. God chose the word "stauros" to be
>>> used, so that is what true Christians teach; an upright pole.
>>>
>>
>> The waste of time trouble-maker offers no refutation. The stauros was a
>> pole. But there WAS a patibulum attached to it. Thus, it was in the form
>> of a cross (T or t).
>
> If it had a patibulum nailed to it, then it was a cross, not a
> stauros. BUT THE BIBLE DOESN'T SAY THAT. It says it was a stauros. No
> amount of twisting or watering down the Scriptures can change that
> fact.
That reasoning collapses immediately once you recognize how languages
actually work.
Saying “The Bible says *stauros,* so it can’t have a *patibulum*” is
like saying:
– “The Bible says Jesus got into a *boat,* so it couldn’t have had
oars—because it doesn’t mention them.”
Words name the *main object*, not every component attached to it.
By the first century, *stauros* meant the Roman instrument of
execution—whatever its full form was. The Gospel writers didn’t need to
spell out “upright post plus crossbeam,” because everyone under Roman
occupation already knew what a *stauros* was: the standard Roman cross.
The word’s meaning had expanded through usage, just as *car* includes
engines and *phone* includes screens.
So the argument, “The Bible says *stauros,* not *cross,* therefore it
was only a pole,” mistakes etymology for definition. It freezes the word
in its oldest form and ignores how language—and especially Koine
Greek—actually functioned in the era the New Testament was written.
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