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   Message 94,485 of 96,161   
   James to Robert   
   Re: Is Yahweh/Jesus still seated at the    
   15 Oct 25 12:49:37   
   
   [continued from previous message]   
      
   >> > God:” The scriptures all concur in that Jesus is far, far greater than   
   >> > you, that He is the head of every man. 1Cor 11:3 Which includes all men   
   of any   
   >> > religion whether it be false or true. That he was so before the worlds   
   began.   
   >>   
   >> Yes, and that Scripture also says that God is greater than Jesus.   
   >   
   >Of course the scripture says that, Jesus said it. You claim to despise the   
   >idea of a Trinity, yet you keep returning to that concept as if the Godhead   
   >is one being. Not one in Unity, but One Person. Using that as justification   
   >for defaming Jesus, the one you claim to server and follow. Why do you seek   
   >to belittle the one you claim to serve and follow? Is it because you follow   
   >the god of this earth as did the Pharisees of old?   
      
   I call it like it is:   
      
   - King James   
   1 Corinthians 11:3  But I would have you know, that the head of every   
   man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of   
   Christ is God.   
      
   There is nothing here about Jesus being humble before God, only you   
   say that without Scriptural proof. It is not a complicated Scripture.   
   IF Jesus was God, then Paul is saying the head of Christ is Christ.   
   Unless Paul was completely wiped out with wine, he would never say   
   that. Even then, I would doubt it.   
      
      
   >>   
   >>   
   >> >   
   >> > Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall   
   bow   
   >> > to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.   
   >> >   
   >> > Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in   
   >> > heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;   
   >> >   
   >> > The last verse speaks of all those that are in hell shall bow as well.   
   >>   
   >> The Bible hell is the grave. And when people go there they "go down in   
   >> silence".   
   >   
   >Hades is NOT the Grave.   
   >>   
   >> G3419(Strong)   
   >>   
   >> ????????? mne?meion mnay-mi’-on   
   >>   
   >> From G3420; aremembrance, that is, cenotaph (place of interment): - grave,   
   sepulchre, tomb.   
   >   
   >There, you were reminded of what a Grave is, from the koine greek language.   
   >   
   >Remember it well, do not be known as a persistent liar. And One who parrots   
   >the watchtower mag as is it were scripture, or the God of Scripture.   
      
   Your church does have a tight grip on you. Break away!   
      
   Yes, hades (hell) is the grave. Notice what these translations said   
   "hades" is:   
      
   -- New Living Translation   
   Revelation 20:14  And death and the grave were thrown into the lake of   
   fire. This is the second death-the lake of fire.   
      
   "Then Death and the Grave were thrown into the fiery lake. This, the   
   fiery lake, is the second death." (CEB)   
      
   "Death and the Grave were thrown into the Lake of Fire. The Lake of   
   Fire is the second death." (EHV)   
      
   "Then death and the grave were themselves hurled into the lake of   
   fire, which is the second death. If anyone’s name was not found   
   written in the book of life he was thrown into the lake of fire."   
   (Phillips)   
      
   (Revelation 20:14) And death and the Grave* were hurled into the lake   
   of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire. (NWT)   
      
   *"Or “Hades,” that is, the common grave of mankind."   
      
   >>   
   >>   
   >> >   
   >> > Isa 45:23 I have sworn by Myself, the word is gone out of My mouth in   
   >> > righteousness and shall not return, that unto Me every knee shall bow,   
   every   
   >> > tongue shall swear [allegiance]. [Rom 14:11; Php 2:10-11; Heb 6:13]   
   >> >   
   >> > If you seek the truth, read Isaiah 45:18-25 For it will destroy all your   
   >> > false doctrine, for that is what is written of in Romans 14:11.   
   >>   
   >> It will destroy nothing.   
   >   
   >It already did for it was written far, far in advance of the watchtower   
   >magazine.   
      
   ?? Yes, I agree with all Scripture as do all JW's. The Watchtower   
   magazine is a Bible-aid magazine. Nothing more nothing less.   
   >>   
   >> >   
   >> > Jesus, the Anointed One came to do the will of His Heavenly Father, to   
   speak   
   >> > His Words, to do His Works, to bring Honor and Glory unto his Father. He   
   >> > spoke that freely if full humility and with Honor   
   >> >   
   >> > That you would seek to demean The Lord Jesus Christ, as if he were not to   
   be   
   >> > honored above all men, which BTW his Heavenly Father declared him to be,   
   is   
   >> > without respect, and is of the evil one.   
   >>   
   >> You mistaken as usual. When I quoted 1 Cor 11:3, I just placed Jesus   
   >> above humans. Here it is again:   
   >>   
   >> - King James   
   >> 1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every   
   >> man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of   
   >> Christ is God.   
   >>   
   >> Did you see that I didn't demean Jesus in any way. Just repeated what   
   >> the Bible already said.   
   >   
   >So did your father satan as he stood beside Jesus and quoted scripture to   
   >him.   
   >Which Jesus answered and said, it is written, thou shalt not tempt the Lord   
   >they God.   
   >He twisted the scriptures as if he thought that God, who became human to save   
   >humanity would forget who he is. You, just like your father satan, attempt to   
   >defame Jesus at every opportunity, to belittle him, to cause others to do so   
   >likewise. Yet that same Jesus is the Judge, on the day of Judgment over all   
   >on the last day. Every word you spoke in your life will be repeated to you in   
   >a moment, and by your own words you will be convicted. Only the Blood of   
   >Jesus Christ can spare you from your sins.   
      
   Boy, if you don't change from those Satanic churches' teachings, you   
   are going to be so shocked when you find out Jehovah's Witnesses was   
   the true religion in the last days.   
      
   They are presently fulfilling Mt 24:14 and Isa 2:2-4, etc. Unlike the   
   churches which you have to go to them to get spiritual food (rotten),   
   God sends the JW's to your house to get spiritual food. So God comes   
   to you. And that's the way it should be.   
      
      
   >   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> >   
   >> > So, therefore, bend your knees to Jesus before you die,   
   >>   
   >> Since 1 Cor 11:3 and others, show that Jesus is NOT God, JW's don't   
   >> worship Jesus.   
   >   
   >Yet you call yourselves “christians” claim that you are a church   
   >denomination,   
      
   Not "church". See above>   
      
      
   Negatrons. We are a religious organization that goes solely by the   
   Bible. No church hand-me-down teachings, no Creeds, etc, just the pure   
   Bible.   
      
   And we have been upgrading ever since the organization was formed,   
   according to Pr 4:18:   
      
   - King James   
   Proverbs 4:18  But the path of the just is as the shining light, that   
   shineth more and more unto the perfect day.   
      
   Notice the JW's "light" did not start out bright. but it became "more   
   and more" bright as time went on till today. Those that are   
   spiritually sick can't see that, but those hungering for Bible truths,   
   can.   
      
      
      
   >that you believe ALL the bible. A wolf in sheep’s clothing   
   >you all are.   
      
   Actually we are sheep in wolf's clothing (domesticated wolf), as we   
   boldly declare the arrival of God's kingdom. (Mt 24:14)   
      
      
   >You claim there are multiple paths to salvation   
      
   Where do you get that stuff from? As per the Scriptures, there is only   
   one narrow path to salvation. (Mt 7:13,14)   
      
   >but cannot prove   
   >it,   
      
   We prove it with Scripture, like Jesus cannot be God:   
      
   1) 1 Cor 11:3   
   2) Luke 18:19   
   3) Ex 33:20   
   4) 1 John 4:12   
   5) Col 1:15   
        etc, etc.   
      
      
    >you claim the world remains when script clearly points out that it   
   and   
   >the universe surrounding it will all be burnt up.   
      
   Another false church teaching. Why would God destroy the universe   
   since humans have not even made a dent in it. For the most part, we   
   have only contaminated our Solar System. And there are zillions of   
   other ones out there.   
      
   As for the earth, it will NEVER be destroyed:   
      
   Ps 104:5,   
      
      
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