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   On Oct 18, 2025, James wrote   
   (Message-ID:):   
      
   > > On Fri, 17 Oct 2025 19:37:42 -0500, Christ Rose    
   > > wrote:   
   >   
   > > Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Proclaim A false God and Gospel That Leads Men To   
   > > Eternal Torment   
   >   
   > > The love of God cannot be set against His justice, because both belong   
   > > perfectly to His nature. God *is* love (1 John 4:8), but He is also   
   > > *holy, righteous, and true* (Revelation 15:3). To remove His wrath   
   > > against sin is to deny His holiness. Scripture never presents divine   
   > > judgment as cruel delight in suffering, but as the necessary expression   
   > > of divine justice against unrepentant rebellion.   
   >   
   > JW's never say God does not put out justice. You have a bad source for   
   > true JW teachings. God gives out the max justice. They lose their   
   > lives! Concerning torture, see my other posting the other day, "Lake   
   > of Fire = torture on a scale unheard of."   
   >   
   > >   
   > > Jesus Himself spoke most plainly about the fire that is not quenched and   
   > > the worm that does not die (Mark 9:43–48 [Gehenna]).   
   >   
   > Now God tortures innocent little worms? Of course they have to be   
   > SUPERWORMS, since fire doesn't kill them.   
   >   
   > The Scripture is discussing Gehenna; Jerusalem's garbage dump. Gehenna   
   > fires were kept continually burning. No one live was ever tossed in   
   > there. Anything in there was totally destroyed. But for items laying   
   > on the perimeter, worms would eat dead living tissue up. Thus it   
   > symbolized EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION. And the local Jews knew what Jesus   
   > meant.   
   >   
   > > In Matthew 25:46   
   > > (ESV) He said, “And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the   
   > > righteous into eternal life.”   
   >   
   > There you have it in writing. The wicked get eternal punishment   
   > (eternal non-existence). The righteous eternal life.   
   >   
   > But wait a minute, if the wicked are tortured live forever, then are   
   > they not getting ETERNAL LIFE, just not under ideal conditions?   
      
   It is eternal death, not life.   
      
   Life spiritually speaking is with God the Father an all of who he is. Death   
   is the total absence of anything good, pleasant, healing, kind, love, etc.   
      
   In reality you send yourself there by the choices you make.the big one is   
   denying that Jesus is God, in combination for not making Him Lord of your   
   life.   
      
   As it is, because of the fall of man, everyone is born into a world of sin   
   (without God in their fleshly nature) and since your body, the fleshly part   
   of you, has a tendency to favor itself over all else it seeks its pleasure.   
   Those in Jesus Christ are given a new divine nature, made new creatures in   
   Christ Jesus. They are made/given the righteousness of God the Father.   
   Empowered by the Holy Ghost in all things Godly. From that point on we are   
   expected to renew our minds in the ways of Jesus Christ, it every way. For   
   that reason we are considered “babes in Christ”. From there we grow,   
   mature, or not, depending on your level of commitment, self controls, fasting   
   and prayer in conjunction with studying the entire bible. Prayer in the   
   spirit is Key, as well as singing praises in the spirit.   
      
   You should give your life to Jesus, those who deny Him he will deny before   
   The Heavenly Father and Angles. There is peace within when one places their   
   faith in Jesus Christ. A peace that far exceeds human understanding.   
   >   
   >   
   > > The same word translated “eternal”   
   > > (*ai?nios*) describes both destinies; if life is endless, then so is   
   > > punishment.   
   >   
   > And if the wicked live forever also, that contradicts a bunch of   
   > Scriptures:   
   >   
   > -- New King James   
   > Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they will die; but the dead   
   > know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is   
   > forgotten.   
   >   
   > The dead know NOTHING. That includes feeling pain.   
   >   
   > -- New King James   
   > Ecclesiastes 9:10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your   
   > might; for there is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the   
   > grave where you are going.   
   >   
   > Thus in the grave (hell), there is NO knowledge, and not even WISDOM   
   > in the grave. Why not?   
   >   
   > - King James   
   > Psalms 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in   
   > that very day his thoughts perish.   
   >   
   > Try to think of things without any thoughts. Now, a lot of other   
   > translations say his PLANS perish. So we will take the yellow brick   
   > road to Strong's:   
   >   
   > "Strong's Ref. # 7476   
   >   
   > Romanized ra`yown   
   > Pronounced rah-yone'   
   >   
   > (Aramaic) corresponding to HSN7475; a grasp. i.e. (figuratively)   
   > mental conception:   
   >   
   > KJV--cogitation, thought."   
   >   
   > It says nothing about plans.   
   >   
   > >   
   > > Revelation 14:10–11 (ESV) says of those who worship the beast, “He also   
   > > will drink the wine of God’s wrath… and the smoke of their torment goes   
   > > up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night.” That is not   
   > > symbolic of ceasing to exist, but of conscious retribution continuing   
   > > without end. The Greek words for “torment” (*basanismos*) and “they   
   > > have   
   > > no rest” show ongoing awareness, not annihilation.   
   >   
   > Yes, that is if you take every word literally. Don't you know what   
   > book you are in? Revelation. The most symbolic book in the Bible.   
   > Notice what the apostle John said about these words in Revelation:   
   >   
   > - King James   
   > Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto   
   > him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;   
   > and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:   
   >   
   > SIGNIFY= SIGNS   
   >   
   > "signify   
   > verb   
   > sig·?ni·?fy 'sig-n?-?fi   
   > signified; signifying   
   > Synonyms of signify   
   >   
   > transitive verb   
   > 1   
   > a   
   > > to be a sign of : mean   
   > (Merriam-Webster)   
   >   
   > Thus notice this better translation:   
   >   
   > (Revelation 1:1) A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to   
   > show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent   
   > his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John,   
   > (NWT)   
   >   
   > The book of Revelation was presented to John in "SIGNS".   
   > Thus the book is massively symbolic.   
   >   
   > > The argument that “love and torture cannot coexist” misunderstands   
   > > divine love. God’s love offered full pardon in Christ’s substitutionary   
   > > death—He bore judgment so sinners need not (Romans 5:8–9). But those   
   who   
   > > spurn that grace face the justice they chose instead. Even human judges   
   > > who punish murderers do not stop being moral; their justice proves their   
   > > goodness.   
   >   
   > For punishment, do human judges burn the convicts to death? Why not,   
   > if God allegedly sets the example?   
   > >   
      
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