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   But a dead person has no IQ because they have ZERO knowledge and   
   memory and no more brain. Over time, all that is left is the bare   
   skull.   
      
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   >>   
   >> -- King James   
   >> Ecclesiastes 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy   
   >> might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in   
   >> the grave, whither thou goest.   
   >   
   >Again I must return you to the context of this scripture.   
   >   
   >Ecc 9:9 Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life   
   >of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy   
   >vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou   
   >takest under the sun.   
   >   
   >Ecc 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there   
   >is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou   
   >goest.   
      
   Notice here the writer says where, you the reader, goes when you die.   
   He doesn't say you go to Heaven, or to a hellfire place, but only to   
   the grave. And that is all for now.   
      
   >   
   >As anyone who reads can see, this pertains to those who live life under our   
   >Sun. V9 It speaks solely to the physical.   
      
   And why not, because that's all there is right after death.   
      
   >>   
   >>   
   >> No work, or knowledge, or wisdom after you die. Here is that zero IQ   
   >> again. So what's another word for that condition of the dead?   
   >>   
   >> Nonexistence!   
   >>   
   >> That is why no deceased relatives contact you. They would if they   
   >> could. But they can't. They cease to exist until the resurrection.   
   >> Both Jesus and Paul refer to the dead as being "asleep". (John 11:11)   
   >   
   >Incorrect. You are mixing the spiritual and the physical as being totally   
   >dependent upon each other.   
   >To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord, for the Born Again   
   >Believer.   
      
   Yes, I cover that down below. Paul was born again, and thus goes to   
   Heaven. But that number has a limit. (Rev 7:4; 14:1) EVERYONE ELSE   
   gets nonexistence until the resurrection of the good and the bad.   
      
   >   
   >2Co 5:6Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home   
   >in thebody, we are absent from the Lord:   
   >   
   >2Co 5:8We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the   
   >body, and to be present with the Lord.   
      
   See right above.   
      
   >   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> -- New Revised Standard with Apocrypha   
   >> 1 Corinthians 11:30 For this reason many of you are weak and ill, and   
   >> some have died. {Gk [fallen asleep]}   
   >   
   >You were not quoting “true” scripture. So why quote something you feel   
   >supports your dogma if it is not truth, the real truth according to the JW?   
      
   Yes that is true Scripture. It is God breathed. (2 Tim 3:16)   
      
   >   
   >1Co 11:26 or as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew   
   >the Lord's death till he come.   
   >   
   >1Co 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the   
   >Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.   
   >   
   >1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread,   
   >and drink ofthat cup.   
   >   
   >1Co 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh   
   >damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.   
   >   
   >1Co 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.   
      
   By "sleep" he means death.   
      
   >   
   >When you take communion unworthily V30 applies to you. Because the only ones   
   >who are to take it are the ones that God considers worthy, you should read   
   >all the surrounding text and not just cherry pick verses out of context in   
   >order to reshape the Gospel Messsage.   
      
   I have never taken 'communion; since my RCC days. And have no   
   intention on ever to do so.   
      
      
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Those brackets are part of the Scripture. They are not mine.   
   >   
   >No, it is not.   
      
   By part of that Scripture I mean the translators added some info   
   there.   
   >   
   >(Greek NT TR)??? ????? ?? ???? ?????? ????????   
   >??? ???????? ??? ????????? ??????   
   >   
   >There is the Greek text, no brackets.   
      
   You are getting Parasitical on me, nitpicking. The translators are   
   telling us that the Greeks describe death as being asleep. Which   
   supports what I have been telling you all along.   
      
   >   
   >>   
   >> So there you have it. The Bible teaches us that the dead are "asleep".   
   >> They don't experience anything right now. But they will when they are   
   >> resurrected. Both the good and the bad will be resurrected. (Acts   
   >> 24:15)   
   >   
   >Now you have clearly jumped ship. You went from the Physical to the Mixture   
   >of Physical and Spiritual without consideration to whether or not it was   
   >spiritual evil or spiritual godliness. Plus when it comes to the JW, they   
   >believe only 144K of them will be spiritually God worthy.   
      
   Again, you do not understand JW teachings. Rev 7:4 and 14:1 shows   
   there are 144,000 who will go to Heaven. BUT BILLIONS MORE WILL BE   
   RESURRECTED AND LIVE UPON A PARADISE EARTH.   
      
   And according to   
   >you all those slots have been filled.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Here is another Scripture from God:   
   >>   
   >> "3. Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom   
   >> there is no help.   
   >> 4. His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very   
   >> day his thoughts perish." (Ps 146:3,4; KJV)   
   >>   
   >> Here is the third mention of the dead with an IQ of zero. What does it   
   >> take to believe these simple Scriptures? God always knows what He is   
   >> doing. Do you?   
   >   
   >He was speaking of putting trust in the Lord, Praises unto him. From the Soul   
   >of man, not the physical part that dies.   
      
   There is no part of a man that does not die:   
      
   - King James   
   Ezekiel 18:4  Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father,   
   so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall   
   die.   
      
      
   >“While I live will I praise the   
   >LORD: I will sing praises unto my God while I have any being.” (Psa 146:2)   
   >   
   >>   
   >> In the NT, some people do not experience non-existence, but go right   
   >> to Heaven when they die. (see Rev 14:1;7:4) But that is a limited   
   >> number.   
   >   
   >None of them were JW’s. They were all Jews.   
      
   We don't know what all of them are, and will be. But they certainly   
   did witness for Jehovah.   
      
   >   
   >Rev 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of   
   >the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it   
   >was given to hurt the earth and the sea,   
   >   
   >Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we   
   >have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.   
   >   
   >Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed:and there were   
   >sealed an hundred and fortyand four thousand of all the tribes of the   
   >children of Israel.   
   >   
   >Rev 7:5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of   
   >Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve   
   >thousand.   
   >   
   >Rev 7:6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of   
   >Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed   
   >twelve thousand.   
   >   
   >Rev 7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of   
   >Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve   
   >thousand.   
   >   
   >Rev 7:8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of   
   >Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed   
   >twelve thousand.   
   >   
   >And all of this occurred only after the seven years of the Great Tribulation   
   >that Jesus Spoke of.   
      
   All of that is symbolic. If you carefully check those 'tribes', you   
   will see they are not all from the original tribes.   
      
   >   
   >> The bulk of humanity experience the resurrection of Acts 24:15   
      
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