XPost: alt.religion.christian   
   From: none@none.non   
      
   On Oct 20, 2025, James wrote   
   (Message-ID:):   
      
   > On Fri, 17 Oct 2025 11:12:38 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way>  wrote:   
   >   
   > > On Oct 17, 2025, James wrote   
   > > (Message-ID:):   
   > >   
   > > > Actually, Satan goes out representing the churches, who claim God   
   > > > tortures living beings in a literal fire. Satan is so pleased that so   
   > > > many people fell for his sadistic doctrine. You really know how to   
   > > > make his day! As he says to you, keep up the good work.   
   > >   
   > > Odd that you say satan wants to scare the hell out of people in order to   
   > > make them run to Jesus, as God.   
   >   
   > No, as a god.   
      
   Your denial of God is obvious.   
      
   What you are claiming is that one god is scaring the hell out of them in   
   order to make people flee him as satan and turn to another god which   
   according to you is Jesus the Messiah.   
      
   That makes no sense/   
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   > >   
   > > If one were to follow that premise out, then the JW’s are a tool of the   
   > > evil one, setting them up in a trap.   
   > >   
   > > Teaching that God is not a God of judgment,   
   >   
   > Robert, Robert, Robert, how many times have I told you God IS a God of   
   > judgment? The penalty for rejecting God is to lose one's life. Not to   
   > be conscious any more. Not to have feelings any more. Not to love any   
   > more. That is justice served on a solid golden plate!   
      
   James. You have been shown from Scripture that God is a God of judgment.   
   Perhaps 100’s of times, yet you chose to disbelieve the truth. Those who   
   teach such lies as you promote might make people think that there is no hell   
   or lake of fire, so they can sin at will since there is no eternal damage   
   done, which is why many commit suicide, only to instantly see the demons of   
   hell staring them straight in the face.   
      
   And those like you are responsible for that way of thinking, thus those who   
   followed your concepts, pay the price and each time it adds to your sins   
   since you bear responsibility for the words that come out of your mouth.   
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   >   
   > > therefore no hell for humans.   
   >   
   > Hell in the Bible is the grave, where people like the dead Lazarus was   
   > at until Jesus resurrected him. People have to be DEAD to be   
   > resurrected, otherwise there is no need for a resurrection since they   
   > are already alive.   
      
   I have shown you the word for Grave, Graves, tombs, etc. It is very   
   definitive, so why have you rejected it, the bare truth.   
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   >   
   > > Like a spiders web, they get caught up in the evil ones grip, only to find   
   > > out that when they pass on from this life that Satan goes.....   
   >   
   > Or like walking in a mine field. One bad step and you cease to be.   
      
   In this world, you cease to be, but not never from the spiritual world. For   
   that reason Jesus said it would have been far better if a person were to have   
   never been born.   
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   > >   
   > > BOO!! GOTCHA!! Followed by a sinister mocking laugh.   
   >   
   > He won't be laughing when he gets the "second death".   
   > God gave him life, and he repaid by rebelling against his own Creator.   
   > He just committed suicide.   
      
   And he took you with him. If you should die, without repentance, and   
   salvation,.....well. :(   
   >   
   > >   
   > > You do realize that in this life that God established a death penalty for   
   > > certain crimes, don’t you. And if He did that for this life, then it   
   would   
   > > stand to reason that he also judges after death from this life, hence the   
   > > well known Second Death. In which there will be not one thing that could be   
   > > considered pleasant, nice, loving, etc. Only the eternal torment of what   
   > > could have been, as well as the retribution for all your errors.   
   >   
   > Tell me, if hellfire existed, could you stand it if your child was   
   > getting tortured with fire forever? Wouldn't that ruin any pleasures   
   > you were getting then? Well rejoice, there is no hellfire place. There   
   > are death and the resurrection, then either life of eternal joy, or   
   > the second death of no life, which is deleted.   
      
   It does exist. And if a child of mine were to end there, it would be by their   
   choice. They have all been warned.   
      
   There are 100’s if not 1,000’s of recent stories from people who died and   
   were revived, who were not drugged, who went to hell, some of them who   
   thought they were christians. Whose stories are consistent with one another   
   who are now totally convinced to the truth of hell fire. It is nothing to   
   make light of, nor should anyone ignore it.   
      
   Also, since you say you believe that lie, then why be a JW or any other   
   religious doctrine? Why waste your time, especially when by the JW standards   
   you are a loser since you will not be one of the 144K?   
   Why follow their rules? Why refuse to take blood if it will save your life of   
   one of your kin? What good is it to spend your own money on them and their   
   work when there is no personal benefit to you?   
      
   For near a century the JW’s taught when you were dead, that's it. No   
   resurrection for you, now you waffle on that point, claiming you might be,   
   while at the same time claim there is no resurrection. And yet you claim that   
   both the good and the evil people will be resurrected. To what? A life   
   outside the city like a Dawg?   
      
   You like to think of yourself as a rational being, yet there is no rationale   
   for what you claim to follow, especially now that you isolate yourself and   
   your understanding from that of the JW’s.   
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   >   
   > Did you know that EVERYONE gets out of hell? (grave)(Rev 20:13) The   
   > churches don't teach you that.   
      
   ROTFLOL! Didn't see that one coming. If there is no hell then how do they get   
   out?   
      
   Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose   
   face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for   
   them.   
      
   Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the   
   books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life:   
   and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books,   
   according to their works.   
      
   Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell   
   delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man   
   according to their works.   
      
   Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the   
   second death.   
      
   Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast   
   into the lake of fire.   
      
   There is the full story, do you see the ending in V15? If your name is not   
   found in the book of life, which contains the names of those who believed in   
   Jesus, the Lamb of God, then your eternal existence is not pleasant.   
      
   The word for grave was not there. “mnēmeion"   
      
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   > > PS: there is a verse that speaks to scaring the hell out of people lest   
   they   
      
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