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   Tue, 21 Oct 2025 13:22:53 -0700   
   <10d8q2s$6e1r$2@dont-email.me>   
   Would-be-deceiver, demonic envy-boy,   
   and sock-puppet troll "Robert" (a.k.a   
   "None", "Dr. Who", "Anonymous", "HTH",   
   "ahisrwic", "Rock", "KK", "Creon",   
   "Madhu") wrote:   
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   > On Oct 20, 2025, KK wrote   
   > (Message-ID: <10d78o9$3n0qj$2@dont-email.me>):   
   >   
   >> On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 18:49:04 -0500, Christ Rose wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> The coming of that which is perfect is only said to make prophecy and   
   >>> knowledge cease, not tongues. It uses the passive voice showing that   
   >>> "the perfect" causes the prophecy and knowledge to cease. By contrast,   
   >>> when it says where there are tongues they will cease, it's in the middle   
   >>> voice. That means they cease of themselves. They are not made to cease   
   >>> by the coming of "the perfect". Therefore, you cannot conclude that   
   >>> tongues, miracles, or healing (sign gifts) must continue until Christ   
   >>> returns.   
   >>   
   >> 8 Love never fails. But if there are prophecies, they will be caused to   
   >> cease; if tongues, they shall cease; if knowledge, it will be caused to   
   >> cease.   
   >> 9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part;   
   >> 10 but when the perfect thing comes, then that which is in part will be   
   >> caused to cease.   
   >>   
   >> Tongues and its interpretation is equal to prophecy.   
      
      
   Neither "Robert" nor his sock-puppet "KK" shows any Scripture which says   
   any such thing.   
      
      
   > It is bad enough when people quench the Holy Spirit in their lives, but to   
   > attempt to do so within the lives of others??   
      
      
   "Robert" is talking to his own sock-puppet again. This shows at the   
   outset that he attempts to deceive people. Further, he's shown nothing   
   from the Bible that supports your views.   
      
      
   > Jesus said, these signs will follow those that believe. No time limits, no   
   > national limits, just the limitation to those that believe. James the brother   
   > of Jesus taught on that, and why doubters receive not.   
   >   
      
      
   "will follow" is the future tense. The future tense requires only that   
   the predicted events must happen in the future, not that they must "keep   
   on happening". 1 Corinthians 13 said tongues "will cease". That means   
   they will cease of themselves and not be made to cease by the coming of   
   "the perfect". You have shown zero Scripture which necessitates that   
   sign gifts like tongues, healings, and miracles must continue until "the   
   perfect" comes.   
      
      
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